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Post by John Stockton on Jul 14, 2015 14:29:20 GMT -5
Bledsoe isn't just going for Harris, all the picks aren't for Love. And he wouldn't have BRs for Love. Shabazz Napier is a legit prospect too. Bledsoe>Harris and Love>those picks. Shabazz doesn't make up the difference for the loss of value of those two.
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 14, 2015 14:35:59 GMT -5
Although if you take into factor Chicago gains by tanking, it makes it more even. I'm sorry guys, this is a hard one!
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Post by James K. Polk on Jul 14, 2015 14:38:06 GMT -5
Bledsoe isn't just going for Harris, all the picks aren't for Love. And he wouldn't have BRs for Love. Shabazz Napier is a legit prospect too. Bledsoe>Harris and Love>those picks. Shabazz doesn't make up the difference for the loss of value of those two. Kevin Love and Bledsoe are worth 3 first rounders, 5 2nd rounders, Harris, Rice and Napier, especially for Chicago who wants a top 5 1st rounder
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Post by billy on Jul 14, 2015 14:38:28 GMT -5
Although if you take into factor Chicago gains by tanking, it makes it more even. I'm sorry guys, this is a hard one! Aye it's the difference between the 11th pick and the 5thish pick... which we've seen described as the value of noah vonleh.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 14, 2015 14:39:14 GMT -5
Although if you take into factor Chicago gains by tanking, it makes it more even. I'm sorry guys, this is a hard one! With a lineup of PG: Wroten Sg: Middleton Sf: Harris PF: Kanter C Tyler Zeller I will be able to get a top 5 pick and cap space to sign young players next season
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 14, 2015 14:44:13 GMT -5
@john: Right? Blake jumped on me for calling it a mess, but from a outside perspective it's definitely not easy to vote on it. I still think trading Love to a tanker with 1 worthwhile 1st would be way better value, but it's hard to point at 8 extra picks that will either draft future role players or factor into future trades as if the Bulls aren't getting ANYTHING back for Love. I stick with my accept and just hope the Bulls aren't making a swing-and-miss type of deal that could impact the parity and the quality of the league.
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Post by Kylo Ren on Jul 14, 2015 15:12:58 GMT -5
I actually think Chicago won this deal.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 14, 2015 16:23:46 GMT -5
I actually think Chicago won this deal. Depends on the outcome of LAC and LAL's next three seasons, as well as the potential talent of the real life draft classes at the tail end of the first round in the next three drafts. There's no possible way to know that he won it yet, just that he is taking the biggest gamble and there's a very good chance the gamble comes up a little short. Tobias Harris does have the talent to be a very valuable player, tanking should give Chicago a great pick in the 2015 draft (which clearly has some talent in the top 7 at least), and all 8 picks have the value to turn his team into something great a few years down the road. But again, nothing is set in stone so it's impossible to know for sure how this all plays out. Which is why trading away elite players for one good player and a bunch of picks is not something you see happening every other day in the NBA.
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 14, 2015 17:05:35 GMT -5
people overvalue picks so much, its unreal. what do you guys think the chances are that all those 8 draft picks could turn into something more than KLove? half those guys will be undrafted rookies who probably wont even see a minute in the nba...
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Post by James K. Polk on Jul 14, 2015 19:18:56 GMT -5
people overvalue picks so much, its unreal. what do you guys think the chances are that all those 8 draft picks could turn into something more than KLove? half those guys will be undrafted rookies who probably wont even see a minute in the nba... You have to think that, without Love, Chicago can get a top 5 pick in this great draft class. With him, Chicago will win too many games thanks to the James K. Polk rule
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 14, 2015 19:30:29 GMT -5
Was the trade accepted? My roster says I have harris napier and rice now
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Post by billy on Jul 14, 2015 20:03:45 GMT -5
Was the trade accepted? My roster says I have harris napier and rice now I went ahead and changed it when I thought it was accepted... I'm too lazy to change it back if i don't have to, so we will wait for Keith Van Horn to vote and see
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 14, 2015 22:27:49 GMT -5
Not to be impatient but can we get the voting done asap because my team just won today and that's a bad thing lol. Also I have another trade im considering that can only be done if this goes through
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Post by Kylo Ren on Jul 15, 2015 2:34:42 GMT -5
I actually think Chicago won this deal. Depends on the outcome of LAC and LAL's next three seasons, as well as the potential talent of the real life draft classes at the tail end of the first round in the next three drafts. There's no possible way to know that he won it yet, just that he is taking the biggest gamble and there's a very good chance the gamble comes up a little short. Tobias Harris does have the talent to be a very valuable player, tanking should give Chicago a great pick in the 2015 draft (which clearly has some talent in the top 7 at least), and all 8 picks have the value to turn his team into something great a few years down the road. But again, nothing is set in stone so it's impossible to know for sure how this all plays out. Which is why trading away elite players for one good player and a bunch of picks is not something you see happening every other day in the NBA.
I disagree with the premise that Kevin Love is an "elite player," so we will have to agree to disagree on that.
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Post by Kylo Ren on Jul 15, 2015 2:35:20 GMT -5
people overvalue picks so much, its unreal. what do you guys think the chances are that all those 8 draft picks could turn into something more than KLove? half those guys will be undrafted rookies who probably wont even see a minute in the nba... I think all 8 of the picks could very likely be better than Kevin Love.
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Jul 15, 2015 3:07:13 GMT -5
In my opinion, Bledsoe is a very very valuable asset in this league. You have a "franchise" combo guard signed long term, without options. He is a highly valued commodity.
I don't understand why you draft Love and Bledsoe to change your mind and tank. And I am left wondering if what you now have to tank with, the picks and players, is really worth it.
Personally, I think you should have gotten more. Yeah you are looking at a top 5 pick. But you have no prospects on your roster really. Your team's value is in mid-late first round picks for the next 4 years and how well you can draft.
Its his team, his call. He's made his choice. It isn't lopsided enough to decline. But I don't like it.
Accept.
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Jul 15, 2015 3:08:20 GMT -5
I mean, you have some prospects. But you aren't looking at franchise changing possible players. And I feel like Bledsoe is that guy. You should have kept him.
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Post by Reggie Miller on Jul 15, 2015 3:20:27 GMT -5
In my opinion, Bledsoe is a very very valuable asset in this league. You have a "franchise" combo guard signed long term, without options. He is a highly valued commodity. I don't understand why you draft Love and Bledsoe to change your mind and tank. And I am left wondering if what you now have to tank with, the picks and players, is really worth it. Personally, I think you should have gotten more. Yeah you are looking at a top 5 pick. But you have no prospects on your roster really. Your team's value is in mid-late first round picks for the next 4 years and how well you can draft. Its his team, his call. He's made his choice. It isn't lopsided enough to decline. But I don't like it. Accept. He didn't draft Love and Bledsoe.. He is the 2nd owner of the Bulls
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Jul 15, 2015 3:24:13 GMT -5
In my opinion, Bledsoe is a very very valuable asset in this league. You have a "franchise" combo guard signed long term, without options. He is a highly valued commodity. I don't understand why you draft Love and Bledsoe to change your mind and tank. And I am left wondering if what you now have to tank with, the picks and players, is really worth it. Personally, I think you should have gotten more. Yeah you are looking at a top 5 pick. But you have no prospects on your roster really. Your team's value is in mid-late first round picks for the next 4 years and how well you can draft. Its his team, his call. He's made his choice. It isn't lopsided enough to decline. But I don't like it. Accept. He didn't draft Love and Bledsoe.. He is the 2nd owner of the Bulls That shit is fucked up. One, it is messed up that the dude left. Two, it is messed up that the second owner comes in, decides to destroy it, gets no prospects. This happens all the time. A guy comes in, wants to rebuild a good team, takes bad deals, realizes what he did, then bounces. Or you get the guy who thinks he can win and trades every prospect away in bad deals and just ends up a middling playoff team who goes nowhere. In any case, I still accept. I think it is dumb. I would have liked to see him just trade Love in this deal, and look around more on Bledsoe. But hey, some people have no patience. And patience is key in this. And in rebuilding. You wait and wait and see if you can get a good deal. I am preaching patience to all GMs when making trades. Do your due diligence and put your team in the best position possible.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 15, 2015 6:01:11 GMT -5
I didn't do the draft but if I did I would have drafted way differently. So far the Bulls haven't started off so hot in this league and I know that I won't make the playoffs. Even though I beleive Bledsoe is a great player he is not somebody I had in my future plans. And as for assuming I'm going to bounce if my rebuild doesn't work out, I'm not like that. If I land a top 5 pick than I can get somebody to play with Tobias harris, a player im trading for, and kris Middleton . My team will be pretty bad for a year or two but as I keep drafting and fielding offers for young players I will begin to start competing
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Post by billy on Jul 15, 2015 7:54:39 GMT -5
Trade passed please update salary and depth charts.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 15, 2015 8:48:45 GMT -5
Depends on the outcome of LAC and LAL's next three seasons, as well as the potential talent of the real life draft classes at the tail end of the first round in the next three drafts. There's no possible way to know that he won it yet, just that he is taking the biggest gamble and there's a very good chance the gamble comes up a little short. Tobias Harris does have the talent to be a very valuable player, tanking should give Chicago a great pick in the 2015 draft (which clearly has some talent in the top 7 at least), and all 8 picks have the value to turn his team into something great a few years down the road. But again, nothing is set in stone so it's impossible to know for sure how this all plays out. Which is why trading away elite players for one good player and a bunch of picks is not something you see happening every other day in the NBA.
I disagree with the premise that Kevin Love is an "elite player," so we will have to agree to disagree on that.
Wtf. Is this guy for real? Can we please make sure he doesn't get promoted to GM of any of the teams?
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Post by Kylo Ren on Jul 15, 2015 11:54:47 GMT -5
I disagree with the premise that Kevin Love is an "elite player," so we will have to agree to disagree on that.
Wtf. Is this guy for real? Can we please make sure he doesn't get promoted to GM of any of the teams?
I am going to be on my best behavior because of events in the past, but you have no idea who you are messing with me and I would suggest you stop insulting me because, frankly, I am a better GM than you are.
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 15, 2015 12:02:25 GMT -5
Vlade, why don't you like KLove? He's ranked in top 15 in terms of ratings in this sim and I think that definitely qualifies him as a superstar/elite player status. He's also a big man who can shoot 3's which adds significant value to a player in this sim.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jul 15, 2015 12:09:30 GMT -5
Wtf. Is this guy for real? Can we please make sure he doesn't get promoted to GM of any of the teams?
I am going to be on my best behavior because of events in the past, but you have no idea who you are messing with me and I would suggest you stop insulting me because, frankly, I am a better GM than you are.
Vlade is the MOTHER FUCKING MAN...
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 15, 2015 12:13:14 GMT -5
I agree with vlade. Love is extremely overrated. He is a terrible defender which is a cancer to the team he plays for. I'd take Tristan Thompson over him any day
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 15, 2015 12:13:34 GMT -5
Wtf. Is this guy for real? Can we please make sure he doesn't get promoted to GM of any of the teams?
I am going to be on my best behavior because of events in the past, but you have no idea who you are messing with me and I would suggest you stop insulting me because, frankly, I am a better GM than you are.
Regardless of whether you are, or are not, a better GM than me (who the fuck cares?), there is literally no valid opinion on saying Kevin Love is not elite. At no point in his real life career has he been anything but. He's a dominant post presence with arguably the best 3-ball from any big in the game, rebounds like crazy, does a little bit of everything and while his defense isn't anything to write home about, he's certainly nowhere near a net negative from it. Anyone willing to spend big on 13-14 James Harden or Damian Lillard would be crazy to say Kevin Love isn't elite. If you're willing to throw out bogus opinions with 0 facts to back them up, I reserve the right to "insult" you.
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Post by billy on Jul 15, 2015 12:30:01 GMT -5
Hehe don't try to tell Vlade KLove is elite I believe I had a 3-4 page argument with him about it a few months ago :D
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 15, 2015 12:32:10 GMT -5
Hehe don't try to tell Vlade KLove is elite I believe I had a 3-4 page argument with him about it a few months ago :D LOL. Fair enough. Love is elite. No reason for me to try to convince him of the truth if he doesn't want to believe it.
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Post by Kylo Ren on Jul 15, 2015 12:32:53 GMT -5
I agree with vlade. Love is extremely overrated. He is a terrible defender which is a cancer to the team he plays for. I'd take Tristan Thompson over him any day
You are the man! :)
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