Min-Chi

[Paul Pierce]

Chicago trades
Portland 2018 2nd
#16 via Minnesota
#30 via Portland
57 Josh Hart $1,186,300 $1,408,200 $1,645,500 $2,968,482 $4,402,259

Minestota trades
65 Zach Lavine $3,202,218 $4,428,667(QO)

[Paul Pierce]

Accept, this is contingent on the Torronto Chicago trade. Adding lavine to my team should help me reach my goal of the playoffs in 2021. Fultz Lavine Kcp Parker plus whoever I draft at 18 is a solid core.

[Steve Jobs]

WTF

[Paul Pierce]

Jun 9, 2018 18:42:15 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

WTF

sorry, I cleaned the format up a little

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 9, 2018 18:43:49 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

Jun 9, 2018 18:42:15 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

WTF

sorry, I cleaned the format up a little

LOL. It looks better, but the format wasn't what I WTF'd

[Paul Pierce]

Jun 9, 2018 18:45:25 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Jun 9, 2018 18:43:49 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

sorry, I cleaned the format up a little

LOL. It looks better, but the format wasn't what I WTF'd

this trade looks good to me.

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

This is rich for Zach Lavine.

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 9, 2018 18:51:39 GMT -5 Ron Artest(1x Champ) said:

This is rich for Zach Lavine.

Aside from re-injury risks, the dude has been a consistent source of 20/3/3 when healthy since last year, and Minnesota just acquired him for Winslow, Kennard, and a future 1st. Forgive me for not feeling like Josh Hart, Pick #16, Pick #30, and a 2nd round pick is "rich" compared to what was given up for him.

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

accept, giving up that much for lavine is the risk he's taking

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 9, 2018 20:12:50 GMT -5 Stuff The Magic Dragon said:

accept, giving up that much for lavine is the risk he's taking

Sorry, i should have also waited to comment, but wait until both trading parties have accepted the deal before voting on it.

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

Jun 9, 2018 20:18:27 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Jun 9, 2018 20:12:50 GMT -5 Stuff The Magic Dragon said:

accept, giving up that much for lavine is the risk he's taking

Sorry, i should have also waited to comment, but wait until both trading parties have accepted the deal before voting on it.

understandable, I retract my vote til Minny accepts

[Deleted]

I accept
I have 4 players to pay and as much as i like lavine im ready to keep barton, Dinwiddie, and lowry. Im gaining back 2 1sts and a player in hart that i like and am willing to grow with! Lavines injury at the end of the year concerns me a little and im not sure if hell get back to where he needs to be. I have a couple players in mind at 16 im interested in and feel this is something that needs to be done for my organization to get some young people in the draft and stay competitive

[Jackie Kong]

WTF is this??? nvm. Just wanted to sound cool like Jobs for a second.

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 9, 2018 21:32:28 GMT -5 Jackie Kong said:

WTF is this??? nvm. Just wanted to sound cool like Jobs for a second.

Home boy literally just traded more value for Lavine in March than he's getting back now. Not trying to sound cool, just feel like if we all stop telling Nick he's not seeking appropriate value with his trades out of apathy we're doing a disservice to him and the league.

[Deleted]

I respect all opinions from my fellow owner and dare i say friends now!!
But i have a plan to keep this franchise going and a obligation to do what i think is best for my franchise! And i hope yall can understand that while i build my squad! I accomplished my season goal of making the playoffs even though i got swept but this is my team and i love the feed back but i also have a vision for this squad! My squad and i will always be here so to some maybe not good enough but i heard the same about bobby portis and im not sure of the averages by him but he was a beast for me! And im here now and for always

[Jackie Kong]

Min cap situation is scary though. They have $86,061,250 committed to Love, Whiteside and Porter alone and they got to re-sign Lowry, Lavine, Barton and Dinwiddie.
They probably will exceed the luxury Tax if all those players re-sign.

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 9, 2018 22:30:15 GMT -5 Jackie Kong said:

Min cap situation is scary though. They have $86,061,250 committed to Love, Whiteside and Porter alone and they got to re-sign Lowry, Lavine, Barton and Dinwiddie.
They probably will exceed the luxury Tax if all those players re-sign.

So the solution is trading one of the youngest and best/highest upside players from among the group for sub-par value instead of holding the best building block he's got and letting go of other role players or trading the less valuable players for whatever he can get.

Ostensibly, there is very little (if any) consequence for exceeding the luxury tax and short of flirting with the hard cap he should be happy to pay good money to field a good team while he figures out what moves can take that team from good to great. Letting go of Lavine is a set back to getting better, and a move away from stockpiling proven, talented youth to build for the future. "Vision" or no, this trade is a big win for the Bulls and a questionable, MAAAAAYBE lateral move at absolute best for Minnesota.

[Brian Scalabrine]

I reject--I understand Nick's logic, but the main flaw for me is that he's counting on resigning UFAs and wants toget rid of his young RFA to do it. All of those guys want good pay days, but the main difference is that he has actual control over lavine. The value isn't great but the main thing for me is that he could be trading Zach to have more room to sign Barton, Dinwiddie, and Lowry but ALL of those guys could end up deciding to sign somewhere else, then MIN is just on their ass with Love, Porter, Whiteside for 86 mil and none of their other pieces.

Imo, the best option is to eat the cap, sign all of them, and then if he's worried about the cap to move them at the deadline or after December. Retain those assets, my dude.

[Deleted]

I am a 1 year gm that came in mid way and no matter what anyone thinks i brought this organization from the depths of hell! To a surprise 8th seed and im not done yet boys give me thw benefit of the doubt pls

[Brian Scalabrine]

If you said what your secret plan is that might help. I get you don't want to spread specifics, but you can give us some idea. This trade just seems like a step back from where you're at right now.

And, re: re-signing guys--ufa is a cruel mistress. What if someone offers Dinwiddie/Barton the same money, and a bigger role? I think you've overall done a good job so far, but you haven't had to go through free agency yet, and it might be more punishing than you are anticipating. Unless you're about to max these guys, you're irrationally confident that you will re-sign them.

[Deleted]

And cant share my other part of this plan yet im sorry but im confident i can keep my guys thats all i can say

[Brian Scalabrine]

Jun 9, 2018 23:37:47 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

And cant share my other part of this plan yet im sorry but im confident i can keep my guys thats all i can say

Well, I sincerely hope it works out for you!

[Deleted]

smh lmao

[Brian Scalabrine]

Jun 9, 2018 23:50:09 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

Then give me that accept bro theres nothing wrong with this trade i know what im doing.
Just like portis who everyone said i was wrong but the man gave me 15 and 10 in a bench role (beast mode)

Nah--I still think this trade is a problem. You gave up assets for guys you can lose in UFA and now you're selling low on a really high potential RFA. These in my opinion are the type of moves that deteriorate a franchise. But, good luck!

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2018 23:54:13 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

Is that a jab charlotte bc if i was in the east against u in a 7 game series you would be done in 5

Hope your summer vacation is going well.

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

Jun 9, 2018 23:50:09 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

Then give me that accept bro theres nothing wrong with this trade i know what im doing.
Just like portis who everyone said i was wrong but the man gave me 15 and 10 in a bench role (beast mode)

out of curiosity, how many games did he give you?

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

There could very well be a plan in place, but it doesn’t mean it’s gonna work. For one there are teams out there, that could offer Lowry more money than you if it came down to it. If Lowry gets everything you offered, plus more money from an attractive destination, why would he be inclined to stick in Minnesota? Just seems like to me you took all the steps to try and complete for the short term, and now that it didn’t work, which was always gonna be the case, you’re scrambling.

[Deleted]

Just making a trade fellas if we can get some votes that would be awesome

[Jackie Kong]

While I agree with some of the things said if he shouldn't trade Levine then why did we allow him to trade a 1st and a 2nd for a couple of games from Dinwiddie because if he can't offer him a starting position there is a good chance he is gone. For the record, I did not like that trade for this exact reason. He is like the 7th man right now behind Barton.

[Theodore Duncan]

ehh.. I don't really like Lavine's chance of getting much better than this, so for me this doesn't look bad. He is really bad in defense and not a great finisher at rim if there is any defense. Overrated good spot-up shooter.

Maybe Minny paid more to get him, but we should not also force him to sunk cost fallacy. I think this is ok price to get away and not having to pay max contract.
For me #16, #30 and Hart = decent lottery pick in value, which is not bad for Lavine.

Accept

I mean Minny has a tough offseason going with so many UFAS, but they are probably better off overpaying Dinwiddie and Barton probably with about same price as when giving max contract to Lavine. I don't think losing Lavine hurts really their chance to resign others.