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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 18, 2018 21:52:26 GMT -5
Atlanta Trades:
2018 5th pick 2020 PHX 2nd 57 Cameron Payne $1,836,200
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GSW Trade:
Victor Oladipo $16,000,000 $16,000,000 $16,000,000 $16,000,000
Warriors agree , even though love Dipo and his contract with Lavine and all our other guards on our roster we are going to draft a big man with this pick.
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 18, 2018 21:55:16 GMT -5
Some great trades being made recently
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 18, 2018 22:00:14 GMT -5
Accept,
Dont love this draft, love Oladipo
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Walt Frazier
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 18, 2018 22:02:01 GMT -5
Whoa
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 18, 2018 22:05:30 GMT -5
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 18, 2018 22:06:06 GMT -5
I accept, I think the top 5 in this class are really good. The warriors can get either Jackson Bagley or Bamba 2 of which I believe are gonna be multiple time Allstars. Oladipo had a tremendous season this year and pairing him with Taytum Bam and DSJ is sick.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 18, 2018 22:07:06 GMT -5
I don't know how to feel about this
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 18, 2018 22:10:29 GMT -5
i have another trade lined up to shed salary before the rookie draft when that trade becomes active
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Jun 18, 2018 22:11:20 GMT -5
Oladipo is a great player on a great contract, but pick 5 is a fair price imo in what seems like a solid draft. Atlanta gets more of a sure thing, Warriors get the upside. Just a matter of preference. Accept
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 18, 2018 22:17:35 GMT -5
i have another trade lined up to shed salary before the rookie draft when that trade becomes active So then this should be put on hold or the other or both?
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 18, 2018 22:22:36 GMT -5
i have another trade lined up to shed salary before the rookie draft when that trade becomes active So then this should be put on hold or the other or both? Not really, since the ATL/NOP trade is using 2018-2019 salaries, it only takes some simple renouncing of a couple of my free agents to allow that trade to happen. Which I will happily do once the time comes. I dont even need the future trades to happen.
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 18, 2018 22:27:37 GMT -5
With both trades, I think you have $110,014,608 committed for next off-season before picking up options and stuff.
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 18, 2018 22:35:06 GMT -5
With both trades, I think you have $110,014,608 committed for next off-season before picking up options and stuff. Thats correct, but that number includes team options and QO, I have done the math of which options I need to decline and which QO's I need to rescind in order to get under the cap.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 18, 2018 22:39:17 GMT -5
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 18, 2018 22:41:50 GMT -5
Thanks, didn't notice that was already up. I have now done the necessary adjustments
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Pete Maravich
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 18, 2018 23:03:12 GMT -5
Did Brown just trade a draft pick for an All Star? What world is this? I like it!
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 18, 2018 23:13:35 GMT -5
Did Brown just trade a draft pick for an All Star? What world is this? I like it! He traded 4th for Beal once. Looked for the thread but couldn't find it it. x_x
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 18, 2018 23:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 18, 2018 23:39:10 GMT -5
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 18, 2018 23:40:47 GMT -5
How many votes does a trade need to pass? I don't do this very often anymore
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 18, 2018 23:55:01 GMT -5
No reason to be sad about it though. You got Tatum in that draft. How many votes does a trade need to pass? I don't do this very often anymore I think you need to wait 4 days to count the votes. Could be wrong.
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Theodore Duncan
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jun 19, 2018 3:20:38 GMT -5
GSW's secret plan is to make series of bad trades so that they get so bad that Curry finally agrees to drop his NTC to getrid of him. That's some 4D chess.
I think this is horrible trade for GSW. Oladipo's great contract is one the most valuable assets in the league imo. As real life comparison this is like trading Steph Curry after he signed his 4yr/44mil deal in 2012 to 5th pick and then drafting Alex Len. But as long as they have KAT and Curry this franchise is still a long way of being ruined, and as long as that's the case every GM should be allowed to follow their vision. And I don't also mind a tough competition in the West getting worse..
Accept
Ps. Here a list of players picked 5th. Maybe this is the year, seems like you can get lucky every 8th years or so ;)
2017 De’Aaron Fox, Kentucky – Sacramento Kings 2016 Kris Dunn, Providence – Minnesota Timberwolves 2015 Mario Hezonja, FC Barcelona Basquet – Orlando Magic 2014 Dante Exum, Australia – Utah Jazz 2013 Alex Len, Maryland – Phoenix Suns 2012 Thomas Robinson, Kansas – Sacramento Kings 2011 Jonas Valanciunas, Lithuania – Toronto Raptors 2010 Demarcus Cousins, Kentucky – Sacramento Kings
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 19, 2018 4:38:43 GMT -5
GSW's secret plan is to make series of bad trades so that they get so bad that Curry finally agrees to drop his NTC to getrid of him. That's some 4D chess. I think this is horrible trade for GSW. Oladipo's great contract is one the most valuable assets in the league imo. As real life comparison this is like trading Steph Curry after he signed his 4yr/44mil deal in 2012 to 5th pick and then drafting Alex Len. But as long as they have KAT and Curry this franchise is still a long way of being ruined, and as long as that's the case every GM should be allowed to follow their vision. And I don't also mind a tough competition in the West getting worse.. Accept Ps. Here a list of players picked 5th. Maybe this is the year, seems like you can get lucky every 8th years or so 2017 De’Aaron Fox, Kentucky – Sacramento Kings 2016 Kris Dunn, Providence – Minnesota Timberwolves 2015 Mario Hezonja, FC Barcelona Basquet – Orlando Magic 2014 Dante Exum, Australia – Utah Jazz 2013 Alex Len, Maryland – Phoenix Suns 2012 Thomas Robinson, Kansas – Sacramento Kings 2011 Jonas Valanciunas, Lithuania – Toronto Raptors 2010 Demarcus Cousins, Kentucky – Sacramento Kings Ahhh no , Curry stays now that Gobert is gone and ya you could look at it that way every 8 years but really it depends how the deep the draft is yearly, how could you compare draft years when the talent in each individual year could be different 2003 draft doesnt jave same talent as 2004 draft. We think this draft is 7 deep and we will be able to get someone that contributes for years and that contract will be a lot better then Dipo's for years. We told you the plan we have to trade either Curry or Gobert and then we can make wiggle room which we have done. I now have future picks , cap room and have younger talent now and will have more depth at every position. I had wanted to trade Curry as its easier to find a Guard replacement then Gobert and Gobert is younger amd fits in better with the age of players im aquiring but oh well we think we found his replacement at pick 5 and who knows i could trade pick 5 , im not done making moves at all your judging an unfished product as i still have free agency to add players to fill holes. When im done ill ahow ypuba side by aide of the team i had versus the team now..... Maybe ypu can see better how im turnimg a team of just starters to starters and a great bench amd not over cap.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 19, 2018 4:42:22 GMT -5
Duuuuude how are there accepts on this? No singular lottery pick has been or ever will be worth an established star, let alone an established star on a long, phenomenal contract. The last time I inquired about Oladipo, Penny rightfully didn't even entertain a conversation about trading him.
This is horrendously bad value for Vic. No way is the BS "His team technically still has four wheels and an engine, so I guess it can't be bad enough to reject" argument even sort of sound here. No amount of planning or vision can overcome giving all your most valuable assets away for pennies on the dollar.
Reject.
Oladipo can and should easily be able to get more than this. No matter how high the pick, if a player in his mid 20s has already reached an All-Star level ceiling, the certainty of that talent vs a draft pick that has yet to see NBA minutes and could easily bust isn't even remotely close in a value. A 2nd and Cam Payne being enough to make up the difference there is just silly.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 19, 2018 6:20:54 GMT -5
I agree with Steve on this one. If Warriors were shedding some horrific contract with Dipo or maybe even if Dipo himself wasn't on a bargain contract, it could be a different story.
As it is, this is a reject for me too.
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Post by White Mamba on Jun 19, 2018 7:47:06 GMT -5
Damn. I would've traded 4 and more for dipo. This is another horrible trade for the warriors imo. I agree with what Duncan said mostly, so I'll accept.
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jun 19, 2018 7:55:37 GMT -5
No way is the BS "His team technically still has four wheels and an engine, so I guess it can't be bad enough to reject" argument even sort of sound here. No amount of planning or vision can overcome giving all your most valuable assets away for pennies on the dollar. I used this argument, but definitely would not accept this for a middle of the pack team. There are like 5 teams in the league with enough assets that could afford to lose a trade this much and get accept from me.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 19, 2018 8:15:16 GMT -5
No way is the BS "His team technically still has four wheels and an engine, so I guess it can't be bad enough to reject" argument even sort of sound here. No amount of planning or vision can overcome giving all your most valuable assets away for pennies on the dollar. I used this argument, but definitely would not accept this for a middle of the pack team. There are like 5 teams in the league with enough assets that could afford to lose a trade this much and get accept from me. I feel like any trade you wouldn't accept for a middle of the pack team is decidedly still rejectable from a top team. A convincing argument for WHY the GM is making questionable trades can, and should, have to be made to go through with a dramatic trade loss like this. As it stands I don't recall Penny ever laying down a super convincing argument for any of his trades, nor do I feel like he took the time to feel out other GMs with interesting talent/picks to see if he could get a better offer than this elsewhere. At least with the "I don't want to run up against the hard cap" argument I was willing to give some ground, but there are a ton of teams who would have been willing to offer more than this for Vic and why should we participate in that kind of shenanigans when we know it's in Penny's best interest to seek more?
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 19, 2018 8:23:33 GMT -5
I used this argument, but definitely would not accept this for a middle of the pack team. There are like 5 teams in the league with enough assets that could afford to lose a trade this much and get accept from me. I feel like any trade you wouldn't accept for a middle of the pack team is decidedly still rejectable from a top team. A convincing argument for WHY the GM is making questionable trades can, and should, have to be made to go through with a dramatic trade loss like this. As it stands I don't recall Penny ever laying down a super convincing argument for any of his trades, nor do I feel like he took the time to feel out other GMs with interesting talent/picks to see if he could get a better offer than this elsewhere. At least with the "I don't want to run up against the hard cap" argument I was willing to give some ground, but there are a ton of teams who would have been willing to offer more than this for Vic and why should we participate in that kind of shenanigans when we know it's in Penny's best interest to seek more? He should have shopped him around more, I think everyone agrees. Where you and I disagree is that 5 isn't close to what oladipo is worth. He had a crazy good year but he has only done it for one year. I don't think it warrants a reject
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 19, 2018 8:46:09 GMT -5
I feel like any trade you wouldn't accept for a middle of the pack team is decidedly still rejectable from a top team. A convincing argument for WHY the GM is making questionable trades can, and should, have to be made to go through with a dramatic trade loss like this. As it stands I don't recall Penny ever laying down a super convincing argument for any of his trades, nor do I feel like he took the time to feel out other GMs with interesting talent/picks to see if he could get a better offer than this elsewhere. At least with the "I don't want to run up against the hard cap" argument I was willing to give some ground, but there are a ton of teams who would have been willing to offer more than this for Vic and why should we participate in that kind of shenanigans when we know it's in Penny's best interest to seek more? He should have shopped him around more, I think everyone agrees. Where you and I disagree is that 5 isn't close to what oladipo is worth. He had a crazy good year but he has only done it for one year. I don't think it warrants a reject Man its funny how you guys assume, Just because ypu guys think i can get more doesnt mean its what i need for my team i have looked at other offers for Oladipo and even had one almost posted before this one. I do my homework and even before accepting this trade took a little thinking over but ultimately decide we have enough Guards to be able to do it and still have other assets to continue maneuvering. Im making a team not just a good starting lineup.
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