Warriors / Cavs

[Penny Hardaway]

Cavs Trade:

59 Kelly Olynyk $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,000,000

59 Alex Len $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,000,000

62 Jordan Clarkson $15,000,000 $15,000,000 $15,000,000

For:

Warriors Trades:

65 Nikola Vucevic $12,750,000

64 Rudy Gay $15,050,000 $16,100,000 $17,150,000

Cleveland has the right to swap 2021 1st.

Warriors agree we doubt we could afford to resign Nikola and We feel with all our scoring bigs Olynyk would fit the bill for next 3 years at a cheaper price , and with our mini youth movement we love Clarkson game and he opens up possibly of moving lavine to sf and clarkson alongside Curry or having Clarkson as 6th man contender.

[Pete Maravich]

Not sure you can do right to swap for picks in different years.

[Paul Pierce]

Woulda been a great move for Cleveland

[Penny Hardaway]

Jul 14, 2018 10:14:58 GMT -5 Pete Maravich said:

Not sure you can do right to swap for picks in different years.

Edited before he officially agreed , but has stated in PM that its fine.

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

Jul 14, 2018 14:47:40 GMT -5 Penny Hardaway said:

Jul 14, 2018 10:14:58 GMT -5 Pete Maravich said:

Not sure you can do right to swap for picks in different years.

Edited before he officially agreed , but has stated in PM that its fine.

you know you should tag him to get this going

[Michael Jordan]

We agree len and clarkson are not in our plans for the future. And vucevic is a great upgrades over kelly o. And we also like the pick swap just in case.

[Paul Pierce]

Accept, Cleveland and NYK now the favorites out east

[Steve Jobs]

This trade is straight up ass for GSW... no idea how trading the three most valuable pieces in a deal is supposed to result in a positive end result for your team.

[Penny Hardaway]

Jul 14, 2018 19:34:46 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

This trade is straight up ass for GSW... no idea how trading the three most valuable pieces in a deal is supposed to result in a positive end result for your team.

You guys are looking at my team like we are competing for a championship now we have clearly stated in 2-3 years when pretty much its Kats team is when we will be competing so yes trading older players qith bigger contracts for younger cheaper players ia what we are looking for and this fits the bill.

1. Vuvecic is expiring and we pretty much are gonna lose him or have to trade him at deadline. 2. Veuvecic is injury prone and plays no D so yes we would rather have Olynyk who we think is going to elevate his game and at 5mil thats a steal for us as we re tool.

3.Yes Rudy gay is better then clarkson by 3 points but also older by how much? Anyway this move has to do with when we are ready to compete in 2-3 years Clarkson will be better and cheaper and more valuebale to us then Gay because as for these next 2-3 years we wont be competing seriously.

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[Jackie Kong]

Based on real life evidence, Gay would struggle hard to get the sort of contract that he has in D720 so I don't see him as a positive asset. The picks swap is meh to me. Doubt Warriors will be bad any time soon.

The most interesting asset in this trade I believe is Olynyk given his contract but all around I like it for Cavs.

I think this is fine for both teams. I accept.

[Paul Pierce]

This isn't awful for GSW but it's just so confusing to me that someone with curry KAT Gobert and Oladipo would want to revamp there team. Just can't believe what I'm seeing

[Penny Hardaway]

Jul 14, 2018 20:20:48 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

This isn't awful for GSW but it's just so confusing to me that someone with curry KAT Gobert and Oladipo would want to revamp there team. Just can't believe what I'm seeing

Because this is a SIM, it doesnt work like the NBA , just look at the finals in this sim vs the nba finals in real life. How many stars where in d720 finals?

You have to figure out what the sim likes not what you like and like we've said we think we know what type of players the sim likes not who i like or the "people" like.

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

I like this trade for the Cavs, we've already seen what the Warriors are doing lmao
Accept

[Steve Jobs]

Jul 14, 2018 20:26:09 GMT -5 Penny Hardaway said:

Jul 14, 2018 20:20:48 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

This isn't awful for GSW but it's just so confusing to me that someone with curry KAT Gobert and Oladipo would want to revamp there team. Just can't believe what I'm seeing

Because this is a SIM, it doesnt work like the NBA , just look at the finals in this sim vs the nba finals in real life. How many stars where in d720 finals?

You have to figure out what the sim likes not what you like and like we've said we think we know what type of players the sim likes not who i like or the "people" like.

For starters, it IS a sim, but that doesn’t mean it consistently values other things over star power. Not to mention (I think multiple people tried to say something), the whole league is being put on an updated version of the simulator with new ratings builds that should be more true to life starting next season, which means IRL talent is far more important than any perceived fit within the sim.

I’ve spent the better part of three years trying to figure out exactly what players the sim might favor a little more and still don’t really have a good feel for that. So building the best possible IRL roster and aiming for success through stock watch is a much smarter way of “rebuilding” than deciding that a team not winning once means they’re functionally flawed in the system and need to be revamped.

Most importantly, building the team you think has the best chance of success does NOT mean losing VALUE on every trade. If I thought you were putting 20 test sims into every possible line up iteration before every trade to confirm your suspicions about what players will help you win, I’d be a lot more likely to give you the benefit of the doubt, but your moves and (IMO) obvious lack of a specific vision for who to acquire and why make it clear you’re not putting in that level of effort.

Len is a meh back up big, so is Olynyk. I don’t hate either, and their contracts are interesting, but they won’t move the needle on a team that already has solid depth - especially not when one of them may have to start and you still have yet to address starting SF (something Gay could have at least satisfied for the time being. Trading Vuc isn’t a huge issue because he’s clearly a defensive liability on a team that has planned to go another direction at his position for years. But Rudy Gay is still a decent player, and his contract is not egregious... he may end up starting for the Spurs if Kawhi is gone this year. Clarkson, on the other hand, has been an obvious net negative for years and as such has a real albatross of a contract for about the same amount Gay is getting paid.

Rounding that out with including a pick swap, despite your talent level and obvious lack of worry about what that pick might become, just proves to me you’re 100% not concerned with value and only making trades to trade.

I’m not rejecting this one, it’s not rejectable, but I think Cleveland is dominating this trade (dumping $25M in almost-useless role players for a $15M 6th man and a 12M expiring, PLUS a pick swap, when they’ve got an excellent group of players that may end up resulting in them getting a high-to-mid 20s pick instead of late 20s). I’m officially at the end of “give GSW any benefit of the doubt” reasonings with your trades after this.

[Penny Hardaway]

Jul 14, 2018 21:12:23 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Jul 14, 2018 20:26:09 GMT -5 Penny Hardaway said:

Because this is a SIM, it doesnt work like the NBA , just look at the finals in this sim vs the nba finals in real life. How many stars where in d720 finals?

You have to figure out what the sim likes not what you like and like we've said we think we know what type of players the sim likes not who i like or the "people" like.

For starters, it IS a sim, but that doesn’t mean it consistently values other things over star power. Not to mention (I think multiple people tried to say something), the whole league is being put on an updated version of the simulator with new ratings builds that should be more true to life starting next season, which means IRL talent is far more important than any perceived fit within the sim.

I’ve spent the better part of three years trying to figure out exactly what players the sim might favor a little more and still don’t really have a good feel for that. So building the best possible IRL roster and aiming for success through stock watch is a much smarter way of “rebuilding” than deciding that a team not winning once means they’re functionally flawed in the system and need to be revamped.

Most importantly, building the team you think has the best chance of success does NOT mean losing VALUE on every trade. If I thought you were putting 20 test sims into every possible line up iteration before every trade to confirm your suspicions about what players will help you win, I’d be a lot more likely to give you the benefit of the doubt, but your moves and (IMO) obvious lack of a specific vision for who to acquire and why make it clear you’re not putting in that level of effort.

Len is a meh back up big, so is Olynyk. I don’t hate either, and their contracts are interesting, but they won’t move the needle on a team that already has solid depth - especially not when one of them may have to start and you still have yet to address starting SF (something Gay could have at least satisfied for the time being. Trading Vuc isn’t a huge issue because he’s clearly a defensive liability on a team that has planned to go another direction at his position for years. But Rudy Gay is still a decent player, and his contract is not egregious... he may end up starting for the Spurs if Kawhi is gone this year. Clarkson, on the other hand, has been an obvious net negative for years and as such has a real albatross of a contract for about the same amount Gay is getting paid.

Rounding that out with including a pick swap, despite your talent level and obvious lack of worry about what that pick might become, just proves to me you’re 100% not concerned with value and only making trades to trade.

I’m not rejecting this one, it’s not rejectable, but I think Cleveland is dominating this trade (dumping $25M in almost-useless role players for a $15M 6th man and a 12M expiring, PLUS a pick swap, when they’ve got an excellent group of players that may end up resulting in them getting a high-to-mid 20s pick instead of late 20s). I’m officially at the end of “give GSW any benefit of the doubt” reasonings with your trades after this.

Ya i stopped reading after 1st sentence, to you guys its losing the trade to us is getting closer to what we want to do with our team. I never said I've figured the sim out but i have a good idea how it works and no matter How much you update a sim you cant account for certain things that make a player good IRL like Heart, IQ ,
Hustle, Motivation etc etc i could go on, when it comes to sims its all about numbers as a computer brain is built on nothing but numbers i could go more into depth about this and people with computer knowledge should know thats why things are hackable and dont make sense when it comes to sims leagues period anywhere because they only measure one thing numbers , not names or mvps etc etc.

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

lmao

[billy]

Jul 14, 2018 20:26:09 GMT -5 Penny Hardaway said:

Jul 14, 2018 20:20:48 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

This isn't awful for GSW but it's just so confusing to me that someone with curry KAT Gobert and Oladipo would want to revamp there team. Just can't believe what I'm seeing

Because this is a SIM, it doesnt work like the NBA , just look at the finals in this sim vs the nba finals in real life. How many stars where in d720 finals?

You have to figure out what the sim likes not what you like and like we've said we think we know what type of players the sim likes not who i like or the "people" like.

Did you see the finals the year before? Or the year before that? Dumping all your stars for Marcus Smart is gonna bite you in the ass as the sim engine gets updated over time.

[Penny Hardaway]

Jul 15, 2018 8:18:35 GMT -5 billy said:

Jul 14, 2018 20:26:09 GMT -5 Penny Hardaway said:

Because this is a SIM, it doesnt work like the NBA , just look at the finals in this sim vs the nba finals in real life. How many stars where in d720 finals?

You have to figure out what the sim likes not what you like and like we've said we think we know what type of players the sim likes not who i like or the "people" like.

Did you see the finals the year before? Or the year before that? Dumping all your stars for Marcus Smart is gonna bite you in the ass as the sim engine gets updated over time.

Yes because jae crowder is a star..... Thats who i traded for Smart.Same type of player at different positions, but i needed a backup pg more then a sf so rasy trade gor me to accept.

This is getting ridiculous and i just hope all the people assuming im makimg my team worse are just as adament when they are proven wrong.

[Allan Houston]

Ehh, it's not clear to me this works with our restrictive Stepien rule. By our rule, you have to own one of your own 1st round picks in consecutive years. With the swap option, it's possible GSW loses 2021 in addition to 2020. 

Would work if the swap was moved to 2022.

[Penny Hardaway]

Ok i repost trade completely then

[Jackie Kong]

Pretty sure this is valid. I mean we have discussed this in the past already.

It is possible to for example have both 2020 and 2022 1sts gone and a swap option in 2021.

[Jackie Kong]

Example:

dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/5417/min-okc-lac

In that trade, Wolves traded away a swap option in 2021 without the 2020 1st

dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/5428/min-mil

and then, traded away a protected 2022 1st with the 2021 swap option in place.

[Penny Hardaway]

Jul 16, 2018 17:38:50 GMT -5 Jackie Kong said:

Example:

dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/5417/min-okc-lac

In that trade, Wolves traded away a swap option in 2021 without the 2020 1st

dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/5428/min-mil

and then, traded away a protected 2022 1st with the 2021 swap option in place.

Cool brand but we still need more votes as i counted 3-1 so far

[Allan Houston]

billy this good?

[Jackie Kong]

I am not disagreeing though with the fact that maybe those swap options shouldn't be allowed to be traded if both picks in between are gone. Just showing how it was applied so far. Maybe, there should be a rule in place after this.

[billy]

This is legal