LAC-DAL

[Shaq O'Neal]

Dallas Mavericks send:
Omari Spellman $1,268,000 $1,342,900 (TO) $1,634,000 (QO)
Mfiondu Kabengele's DRs
James Ennis $4,170,000 (dead contract)
Dairis Bertans $1,018,690 (dead contract)
WAS 2021 2nd
Total: $6,456,690 (x 1,25 = $8,070,862)

Los Angeles Clippers send:
Matisse Thybulle $2,582,160 $2,711,280 $2,840,160 (TO) $4,379,527 (TO) $6,275,862 (QO)
Jordan McRae $4,300,000 $4,300,000 (dead contract)
Total: $6,882,160

(Trade to be queued after CHA-DAL)



Really hate trading away Thybulle but this is a good deal for him.He will most likely be a defensive role player at best and wont develop a decent offensive game.He is also more of a piece who you would add to your roster when its settled amd perimeter defence is am issue rather than on a rebuilding roster. Plus i think Spellman and Kabengle are exciting prospects

[Shaq O'Neal]

Yeezy

[Jackie Kong]

Yeah. We might be overpaying here but what can you do? I have been insisting Shaq O'Neal for almost 2 months now trying to move for Thybulle, LOL. Really intrigued by how he would fit in the Mavs roster.

[Yeezy]

Acceptemundo

[Shaq O'Neal]

Pete Maravich
Brian Scalabrine
Steve Jobs
Scott Pilgrim
Justin Timberlake

Ron Artest(1x Champ) White Mamba

[Brian Scalabrine]

Reject.

Thybulle is a great prospect--Kabengele and Spellman are only "interesting" for a reason. Thybulle hasn't just been good on defense, he's been an all-defense level guy. Traded him for Smart for a reason--Smart is about the only non-big in the league with a comparable defensive chops outside of guys who are absolute superstars. Would love to see the mavs add him to the core, but this is robbery and shortsighted by LAC.

[Jackie Kong]

lol, what??? No way this is rejectable. I even send a pick and take dead money for next season.

Thybulle is a 4-1-1-1-1 right now. Thybulle wasn't even a high pick in real life. He was 20 with Kabengele being 27.
And Spellman just came from a career high with 23 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 4 steals, 1 block.

During off-season you traded him for Smart who Clippers got with a 1st round pick for straight up cap space.

No way this is rejectable. Even less considering Shaq is one of the best GMs here.

[Jackie Kong]

LOL, even worse. Didn't see the full trades because I was gone at that time.

dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/6801/lac-cle

dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/7005/cle-lac

dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/7198/lac-tor


If you combine those 3, Clippers pretty much got a 2020 CLE 1st, a 2022 CLE 1st, Thybulle, Mykhailiuk, Bolden for 2 expiring dead contracts that combine for $25M (Shumpert and Mahinmi).

It is clearly not shortsighted for him. He is probably just going to do the same next off-season, LOL.

Some people are so focused on my small trades that they can't see others are getting the pie, lolololol.


Brian Scalabrine You can't seriously still reject after seeing that evidence.


And if some people think Clippers suck is only because Shaq O'Neal is doing his best to keep them under the radar so he doesn't get trade bullied. They are actually pretty decent in terms of assets. If they are not winning games now it is only because they don't want to, lol.

[Shaq O'Neal]

Jan 6, 2020 2:18:24 GMT -5 Brian Scalabrine said:

Reject.

Thybulle is a great prospect--Kabengele and Spellman are only "interesting" for a reason. Thybulle hasn't just been good on defense, he's been an all-defense level guy. Traded him for Smart for a reason--Smart is about the only non-big in the league with a comparable defensive chops outside of guys who are absolute superstars. Would love to see the mavs add him to the core, but this is robbery and shortsighted by LAC.

You are overrating Thybulle imo.Do I like him? Yes definitely but I feel like the return is great and I personally feel Thybulle may never become more than a defensive role player in the league and while that may be important to a playoff team,we are pretty far from that situation.So this return seems pretty good for him currently

[billy]

I think it's a pretty bad move to move thybulle, and for what is basically... nothing? but I accept

[Scott Pilgrim]

I don't know to feel about this

it's passable I guess, but LAC are trading a very positive asset for 2 gambles, when if they want to cash in on his hype, he should be trading on definite assets (1st rounders). Thybulle is an elite defensive talent and definitely will have a long career in the league and to have him on a rookie contract is immense considering his impact on defense. Seeing how the real life 76ers are struggling, if one of Simmons/Harris/JRich get traded, he'll have an instant lock on that starter spot, he's only averaging 17 minutes right now, and his production will grow.

I think I'll abstain from voting, and leave it to the other members of the TC to approach this trade.

[Jackie Kong]

Thybulle was the 20th pick in here. And he is about the same player people thought he would be entering the league. But He doesn't even play 18 mpg, he gets too many fouls some time because of his style of play and he has low rebounds. Obviously, we want him or else we wouldn't go for him but you act like he is some sort of super asset that he is probably not.

Kabengele didn't play much time at all this season but that doesn't mean he now has zero value. Not so long ago, He was a high 2nd pick in here, the 27th pick in real life and in D720 mirror league he went 26th with Thybulle 24th. Some players just take a bit longer than others to see action in their rookie season because they are rookies but it doesn't mean they wont be the players they are supposed to be. There is a reason why sophomores don't count for the MIP award for the most part.

What I said about Spellman also stands. And he is getting cap space for next off-season and a 2nd.

We have done about 25 trades since I came back so I get people in general have been wanting for us to slip so they could see some blood but all we have been doing is small trade after small trade. And last time I checked we are not supposed to reject those trades even if you push hard for it. Even less when you look at Shaq's record and even after I gave solid evidence that he got Thybulle for players he took 1sts round picks to receive in the 1sr place.

People protecting Shaq over a small trade is ridiculous. If this was the same trade but the other way around, people wouldn't be protecting us because they never did. People want to see blood because I wont shut up my emotional mouth over every single trade? Maybe. But doing about 25 small trades with people complaining about every single detail and over criticizing my trading partners can do things to your head.

[billy]

Jan 6, 2020 13:49:50 GMT -5 Jackie Kong said:

Thybulle was the 20th pick in here. And he is about the same player people thought he would be entering the league. But He doesn't even play 18 mpg, he gets too many fouls some time because of his style of play and he has low rebounds. Obviously, we want him or else we wouldn't go for him but you act like he is some sort of super asset that he is probably not.

Kabengele didn't play much time at all this season but that doesn't mean he now has zero value. Not so long ago, He was a high 2nd pick in here, the 27th pick in real life and in D720 mirror league he went 26th with Thybulle 24th. Some players just take a bit longer than others to see action in their rookie season because they are rookies but it doesn't mean they wont be the players they are supposed to be. There is a reason why sophomores don't count for the MIP award for the most part.

What I said about Spellman also stands. And he is getting cap space for next off-season and a 2nd.

We have done about 25 trades since I came back so I get people in general have been wanting for us to slip so they could see some blood but all we have been doing is small trade after small trade. And last time I checked we are not supposed to reject those trades even if you push hard for it. Even less when you look at Shaq's record and even after I gave solid evidence that he got Thybulle for players he took 1sts round picks to receive in the 1sr place.

People protecting Shaq over a small trade is ridiculous. If this was the same trade but the other way around, people wouldn't be protecting us because they never did. People want to see blood because I wont shut up my emotional mouth over every single trade? Maybe. But doing about 25 small trades with people complaining about every single detail and over criticizing my trading partners can do things to your head.

You should probably wait for more than one reject before ranting about everyone rejecting your trade. let people have their discussion! valid points are made on each side no need for a NVE like thing everytime someone puts in a reject on a deal

[Brian Scalabrine]

I'm just trying to do my job my dudes.

25 trades DAL has done, and they've won damn near every one. Pretty sure I rejected the holiday trade, but outside of that I think it's all been accepts. I'm just one vote--and I know I usually am most likely to reject deals (next to Steve) but ultimately, most go through anyway.

DAL is killing it with these small deals. Turning poop into lesser poop into good things is critical in this league as a rebuilding team. DAL is doing the best job of it I've seen, and it's exciting and I'm very impressed by everything kong and yeezy have created out of thin air. They're adding value little by little, and it's adding up to something. That's great.

I'm probably just especially high on Thybulle--imo he is very valuable. He's a lock to be a player with a future perimiter defender attribute--a wing that is elite on defense in this sim is a core piece of what it takes to win, and is hard to find. Most of them are either on high paying deals (Smart, Danny Green, Covington, Aminu in the past, MKG and Porter, ect.) or are legitimate stars in some varying capacity (Kawhi, Middleton, PG, Giannis, Butler, ect). That is to say--these guys get paid. Thybulle has been an elite defender in the league since day one--that's a four year cost controlled contract. In a couple years, he'll be a legitimate needle mover for contenders. If Alexnoob puts respect on his name, it might be next season.

That is to say--it's not targeted. I just think Thybulle is worth more. A LOT more. Yeah, Smart and Hood were dumped for a first, but that was a bad move--and amazing for LAC. Two starting level guys, Smart a bit overpaid but is an outlier in terms of defensive production and has grown into a solid shooter as well. I think the fact that Thybulle was the main piece in me getting those guys actually proves that he's worth way more than he's going for here.

[Jackie Kong]

I apologize if I offended anyone in this trade thread or another or in any other thread for that matter. It just have been hard for me lately all things considered (real life included) and I am clearly not good at controlling my emotions.

I absolutely believe this is more than a fair package for Thybulle and that some of the pieces Mavs is sending are being underrated but it is entirely possible I am wrong.

Anyway, just wanted to say the first part and that if I go missing for days, weeks or months again it is because I need to balance my real life rhythm.

I did remove my Mavs icon because I was mad 2 days ago. I won't like about it, lololol. But I am not mad anymore. I was just emotionally dumb at the time.


Edit: By the way, I was wrong. This is the 20th trade. Just counted them, lol.

[Shaq O'Neal]

Pete Maravich
Steve Jobs
Scott Pilgrim
Justin Timberlake

Ron Artest(1x Champ) White Mamba


Could we get some more votes please

[Doc Rivers]

In the future, we'll this trade as Dallas either overpaying if even one of those prospects pan out or LAC trading Thybulle for next to nothing, either way this trade probably isn't going to be even. It might not be franchise ruining for either team but I don't think the Clippers should be trading the best young prospect right now and with the most potential away when they're rebuilding. This 2 for 1 is hardly worth it even if I love canadian Mutombo.

[Steve Jobs]

Dallas intention in this trade reminds me a lot of the series of youth movement deals I made starting with the Turner deal and the Wall trade... Make an obvious play for guys you think have high ceilings but aren’t doing too much in their rookie/sophomore season to reinforce that high valuation.

I don’t think a single one of those went through without me needing to commit to some atrocious “overpays”, and this is definitely not in that realm. Thybulle is probably one of the more intriguing youths in the league right now, if only for his defensive upside and as Brian alluded to, his likely role increase the instant that Philly tries to shake things up. Nothing on the table for LAC really seems to be paying for that upside, it’s just a fair repayment IF Thybulle doesn’t ever develop into something more than what he’s showing right now, which everyone including Dallas can agree is unlikely.

I do think it’s perfectly fair to expect a team searching out deals that could be huge wins in “potential” to need to pay accordingly. I’m gonna side with Brian here and reject. Thybulle’s upside merits an upgrade into the “tangible assets” category (1st rounders / decent role players), rather than the “everyone would be tickled pink to get something of significant value in return for these assets” category (2nd rounders / eating cap space / etc.).

[Jackie Kong]

Jan 9, 2020 6:11:20 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

including Dallas can agree is unlikely.

Thybulle might perfectly end up being nothing. He went 20th or lower in real life or every sim league I checked for a reason.

He is averaging 4.8 points, 1.1 assist and 1.2 rebound. Those are below par numbers. He is averaging 1.4 steals and 0.7 blocks but those are also getting him 2.1 fouls per game. He actually started the season with more steals and blocks but he was fouling a lot more too.

I just don't see the problem with the trade but like I said, I will respect Tc input.

Will never understand though why Clippers need extra protection in a trade like this when they are clear winner of most trades they do. Just now they are doing another decent trade for a player that might as well replace Thybulle under the right circumstances.

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

Pretty much rejecting for the same reasons as Steve. Thybulle might legitimately be one of the better defenders in the league already so when you add that to the fact that he could develop offensively(40% 3pt shooter), what you have is a very high ceiling prospect.

Worst case scenario is Dallas is trading for a better shooting GSW Iggy, which warrants a lot more than he’s giving up in this deal.

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

Jan 9, 2020 6:20:19 GMT -5 Jackie Kong said:

Jan 9, 2020 6:11:20 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

including Dallas can agree is unlikely.

Thybulle might perfectly end up being nothing. He went 20th or lower in real life or every sim league I checked for a reason.

He is averaging 4.8 points, 1.1 assist and 1.2 rebound. Those are below par numbers. He is averaging 1.4 steals and 0.7 blocks but those are also getting him 2.1 fouls per game. He actually started the season with more steals and blocks but he was fouling a lot more too.

I just don't see the problem with the trade but like I said, I will respect Tc input.

Will never understand though why Clippers need extra protection in a trade like this when they are clear winner of most trades they do. Just now they are doing another decent trade for a player that might as well replace Thybulle under the right circumstances.

At 22 years old Jimmy Butler averaged 2.6 a game his first year, and was barely getting PT. The next year he averaged 8.6 points, and then 13.1 in his third year, and we all know what happened after that. Your selling point in his low counting stats but they’re supposed to be low... He’s an elite defensive guy brought in with the potential of developing offensively, not the other way around.

[Jackie Kong]

My main point is he was the 20th pick. Not a top 10 pick. If he is so good then he should have been picked higher because he is pretty much the player he was expected to be so far. But anyway, I accept your point.

[Doc Rivers]

Jan 9, 2020 6:38:19 GMT -5 Jackie Kong said:

My main point is he was the 20th pick. Not a top 10 pick. If he is so good then he should have been picked higher because he is pretty much the player he was expected to be so far. But anyway, I accept your point.

Kuzma wasn't a top 10 pick but people saw pretty early in his career that he had that kind of value, a player doesnt need to be drafted high in order to be a decent player teams cant see the future, I mean look at Pascal Siakam, Fred Vanvleet and even Terence Davis last night, nobody predicted what they would do in the NBA. This draft class was unusually good but I think most years, Thybulle would be a lotto pick.

[Scott Pilgrim]

reject, thybulle has some really good potential, and he merits more of a trade package, namely proven assets or 1st round picks. He's shown his defensive impact on the 76ers and I fully believe he'll be a Tony Allen type of defender or even have potential to grow his offensive game past that, the advanced stats already show his defensive productivity.

he's getting some real hype on /r/nba

[billy]

Omari Spellman had a monster line as the starting center vs. the Clippers on Friday, hitting 6-of-12 shots for 17 points, five rebounds, three assists, three steals and four triples in 28 minutes.

Apparently the Clippers didn't get the memo that Spellman can hit the 3-point shot but we don't blame them for not wanting to watch tape of the Warriors. Jokes aside, Spellman destroyed them with the pick-and-pop 3-pointer and he's been trending up for the better part of a week. He's worth picking up in standard leagues for his multi-category upside and we'd be surprised if he didn't hold onto the starting job over Willie Cauley-Stein.