billy
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Post by billy on Aug 13, 2020 18:16:53 GMT -5
No, it doesn't do that. It only conveys for one year. I even bolded it. So, you are saying that if Celtics finish top 3 then the pick becomes top 8 next season with no conveyance, right? As in happening or not happening with Blazers getting no compensation if Celtics get a top 3 pick now and a top 8 pick next year. Yes that's how it has always been.
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Aug 13, 2020 18:33:04 GMT -5
Yes that's how it has always been. Well, better then. Sorry for the false illegal trades alarm. I believe I did find some bugs in the past related to picks conveyances but I didn't realize they only applied because they were in consecutive years like a protected pick before a swap option, lololol. But you learn something new every day. But yeah, Celtics probably want as much as possible to get that top 3 pick.
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Post by Yeezy on Aug 13, 2020 19:40:44 GMT -5
0-1 so far fwiw haha
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Aug 13, 2020 22:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Aug 13, 2020 22:55:32 GMT -5
Rejecting this trade as I don’t see Red being able to re-sign Middleton with what will remain with his squad after this trade. I honestly don’t see this making sense for Boston as I believe they should try to get younger and start rebuilding. Brooks and Hachimura are good pieces to start with. Giving them away, Horford and a pick for a rental of Middleton, Lou and Myles just looks bad for their future.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Aug 13, 2020 22:56:51 GMT -5
I still see this trade going through if Boston is trying to compete
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Aug 13, 2020 23:04:07 GMT -5
Wtf. If the top3 pick doesn't come this year. It should turn to unprotected not top8.
If the arrow is down in draft page the protection should be decreasing, not increasing. If that is not the case then the rule needs to be rewritten in some more plain wording. Maybe it's because English is not my first language, but that's how I have understood the rule.
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Red Auerbach
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Post by Red Auerbach on Aug 13, 2020 23:26:07 GMT -5
So that’s 0-2.
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Aug 13, 2020 23:27:29 GMT -5
Wtf. If the top3 pick doesn't come this year. It should turn to unprotected not top8. If the arrow is down in draft page the protection should be decreasing, not increasing. If that is not the case then the rule needs to be rewritten in some more plain wording. Maybe it's because English is not my first language, but that's how I have understood the rule. According to what I understand,the arrow indicates the conveyance.Increasing conveyance would mean the protection on the pick will lessen whereas decreasing conveyance means that there would be more protection on the pick.As the BOS 2020 1st has decreasing conveyance,the protection increases making it a top 8 protected pick in 2021 if the pick lands top 3 in 2020 and is not conveyed to you.
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Aug 13, 2020 23:46:27 GMT -5
If the arrow is down in draft page the protection should be decreasing, not increasing. If that is not the case then the rule needs to be rewritten in some more plain wording. Maybe it's because English is not my first language, but that's how I have understood the rule. No. You are right. It is decreasing but decreasing conveyance means that protection increases for the following year.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 14, 2020 0:28:36 GMT -5
Increasing conveyance means the pick gets MORE likely to convey. So when a top 8 protected pick doesn’t convey, it becomes top 3 protected since that is MORE likely to convey due to the team needing to get a top 3 pick to keep their selection.
Decreasing conveyance means the pick gets LESS likely to convey. So when a top 8 protected pick doesn’t convey, it becomes lottery protected, such that it is LESS likely to convey since the team only has to miss the playoffs the following season to keep their pick as opposed to getting a top 8 pick.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 14, 2020 1:13:27 GMT -5
For the record:
I don't see why it would be unlikely for BOS to be able to re-sign Middleton. He would have a team of vets and a very good starting lineup. Jrue, Lou, Middleton, LMA, Turner is absolutely a playoff team. And, if he can manage to re-sign, he's getting an upgrade from Horford and top 5 two way wing, legit All-nba, one shot under 50/40/90 guy for his trouble.
I don't understand why the TC would ok the trade for Holiday/LMA in exchange for Sexton and Monk but not this one. Rui has potential and obviously I'm excited about him, but he IS 22, on a trash team, and had promising stats and skills, but not so promising that he's a surefire star. The pick is solid but in a consensus bad draft, and even in good drafts it's still a crapshoot in that range if you're getting a guy who is going to have a legit career vs. a guy who has cornerstone potential.
Very possible that Rui is just a solid starter, and the pick becomes a guy in the Bamba/Hezonja/Bender/Josh Jackson/Stanley Johnson/etc tier. If that's the case and he's able to re-sign Middleton, he clearly wins this deal.
Also, Turner is like 24 and a scrappy ass player who perfectly fits the model of a modern big. Not that many guys can defend in space and shoot the three. He's a little overpaid today, but that he'll be worth every cent in the last two years of his contract. He's a difficult to find player. Sabonis is an all-star bc Turner is so good on both ends of the floor that he lets him thrive at what he's good at.
And, not to mention, Red gets off the Horford deal and Portis deal. There's a very good argument that BOS can compete like hell for the next three years as a result of this deal plus a couple more savvy moves.
Rui and the pick are the most valuable things he's sending for two guys (Middleton and Turner) that fit on every team. Everything else he's sending, with the exception of Brooks, is a negative asset.
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Theodore Duncan
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Aug 14, 2020 3:12:42 GMT -5
billy can we change the rule description and not use word conveyance, so there would be no misunderstanding in future by another stupid person like me. Although I consider my English level to be quite fluent, I have never seen that word used anywhere else. This was not the first time this was explained and probably not the last. In my opinion it was definitely not clear that increased conveyance means decreased pick protection. I see it now, but you could just say it so much simpler. Pick protection level either decreases or increases. And arrow down would mean decreasing protection, and arrow up increasing. Should be quite logical to follow that way. Btw. I'm not in TC anymore although I was tagged, but shouldn't vote in this anyways as I own the Boston pick.
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billy
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Post by billy on Aug 14, 2020 7:30:29 GMT -5
Increasing conveyance means the pick gets MORE likely to convey. So when a top 8 protected pick doesn’t convey, it becomes top 3 protected since that is MORE likely to convey due to the team needing to get a top 3 pick to keep their selection. Decreasing conveyance means the pick gets LESS likely to convey. So when a top 8 protected pick doesn’t convey, it becomes lottery protected, such that it is LESS likely to convey since the team only has to miss the playoffs the following season to keep their pick as opposed to getting a top 8 pick. This is correct
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billy
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Post by billy on Aug 14, 2020 7:31:03 GMT -5
billy can we change the rule description and not use word conveyance, so there would be no misunderstanding in future by another stupid person like me. Although I consider my English level to be quite fluent, I have never seen that word used anywhere else. This was not the first time this was explained and probably not the last. In my opinion it was definitely not clear that increased conveyance means decreased pick protection. I see it now, but you could just say it so much simpler. Pick protection level either decreases or increases. And arrow down would mean decreasing protection, and arrow up increasing. Should be quite logical to follow that way. I'm open to re-wording the rule, it was always difficult to understand which I why I included the examples. It was simpler when we only had one type of conveyance.
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Post by billy on Aug 14, 2020 7:32:01 GMT -5
Btw. I'm not in TC anymore although I was tagged, but shouldn't vote in this anyways as I own the Boston pick. I'll take your spot. I accept this trade.
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Aug 14, 2020 11:49:36 GMT -5
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Post by Nino Brown on Aug 14, 2020 11:49:36 GMT -5
Accept, I don’t hate this if Boston is trying to compete
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Red Auerbach
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Post by Red Auerbach on Aug 14, 2020 11:51:42 GMT -5
Should Billy only be able to make a move like that if the TC vote is tied?
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Post by Red Auerbach on Aug 14, 2020 11:52:40 GMT -5
I actually thought the season was over and didn’t realize we had 19 games left.
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Aug 14, 2020 21:44:53 GMT -5
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Aug 14, 2020 21:44:53 GMT -5
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Aug 15, 2020 1:57:44 GMT -5
I actually thought the season was over and didn’t realize we had 19 games left. Makes less sense then for this trade especially if middelton leaves , he would have played 0 games for you.
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Ed Cooley
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Post by Ed Cooley on Aug 16, 2020 7:14:08 GMT -5
It really sounds like Red doesn’t like this deal, I’ll decline it
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Post by Ed Cooley on Aug 16, 2020 7:15:01 GMT -5
It really sounds like Red doesn’t like this deal, I’ll decline it normally I wouldn’t do this, but I also wasn’t completely comfortable with it to begin with
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Red Auerbach
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Post by Red Auerbach on Aug 16, 2020 11:42:36 GMT -5
It really sounds like Red doesn’t like this deal, I’ll decline it normally I wouldn’t do this, but I also wasn’t completely comfortable with it to begin with Thank you Mr. Cooley.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 16, 2020 18:29:47 GMT -5
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Aug 17, 2020 1:13:36 GMT -5
Since 4 days have passed,the trade is rejected right?
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Aug 17, 2020 8:07:28 GMT -5
Think its 4 days from last vote...
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Shaq O'Neal
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Aug 17, 2020 9:11:17 GMT -5
Think its 4 days from last vote... . Results of the vote will also be final 4 days after the trade is accepted (not posted). This is what the rules say so according to this,the trade is rejected
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 17, 2020 13:38:10 GMT -5
Look how they massacre my boi
My boi, being, my trade
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Ed Cooley
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Post by Ed Cooley on Aug 17, 2020 14:15:00 GMT -5
Look how they massacre my boi My boi, being, my trade Just realized it’s an illegal trade anyway because of Boston’s roster size. I would say it was fairly close to an accept though so if you restructure it with Red it could be an accept
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Aug 17, 2020 14:19:26 GMT -5
Just realized it’s an illegal trade anyway because of Boston’s roster size. No. I think it was fine. Celtics has 12 players now so if they signed 3 players then they would have had 12 after the trade. And we had a rule or more of a comment about a situation like this but it was removed to clear potential confusions. - dynasty720.proboards.com/post/40585
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