Shaq O'Neal
 LA Clippers
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Nov 26, 2020 23:24:09 GMT -5
Clippers trade Isaiah Thomas dead money $9,675,000 Pick 18 Pick 27 Pick 45 Outgoing salary=$9,675,000(125% of $9,675,000=12,093,750) Clippers receive Kyle Anderson $9,308,280 $10,006,401 $10,756,881 (PO) Tyson Chandler $1,091,400 $2,182,800 DeMarre Carroll $1,500,000 $1,500,000 2024 BOS 1st 2023 swap option Pick 21 Incoming salary=$11,899,680 (<12,093,750) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Celtics trade Jrue Holiday $25,200,000 $25,471,233 $25,742,466 (PO) Kyle Anderson $9,308,280 $10,006,401 $10,756,881 (PO) Tyson Chandler $1,091,400 $2,182,800 DeMarre Carroll $1,500,000 $1,500,000 2024 BOS 1st 2023 swap option Outgoing salary=$37,099,680 Celtics receive Joe Ingles $14,480,000 $13,390,000 Isaiah Thomas dead money $9,675,000 Pau Gasol dead money $11,760,000 Pick 24 Pick 27 Pick 41 Pick 44 Pick 45 Incoming salary=$35,915,000(<37,099,680) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wizards trade Joe Ingles $14,480,000 $13,390,000 Pau Gasol (dead money) $11,760,000 Pick 21 Pick 24 Pick 41 Pick 44 Outgoing salary=$26,240,000 Wizards receive Jrue Holiday $25,200,000 $25,471,233 $25,742,466 (PO) Pick 18 Incoming salary=$25,200,000(<26,240,000) I accept Pete Maravich and Red Auerbach to concur |
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Pete Maravich
 Washington Wizards
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Post by Pete Maravich on Nov 26, 2020 23:34:24 GMT -5
I accept. I have a target in mind at 18 & Jrue slides in nicely next to FVV. Joe might be the most tenured player on my roster as I got him as a regular season FA in my first or second year. He checks all the boxes for intangibles that usually fill my roster so he will definitely be missed.
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Shaq O'Neal
LA Clippers
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Nov 26, 2020 23:35:58 GMT -5
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Scott Pilgrim
 Philadelphia 76ers
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Nov 27, 2020 8:49:11 GMT -5
2024 BOS 1st = Pick 24 and 27, fine.
But that leaves Jrue Holiday and a 1st round swap option being traded for 3 second rounders in #41, #44, #45.
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I like to keep an open mind as an onlooker on d720 trades, but this one is a headscratcher.
But if he explains it well, this trade should be acceptable.
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billy
 Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Nov 27, 2020 8:51:22 GMT -5
DO NOT COMMENT ON THE "ACCEPTABLENESS" OF TRADES UNTIL ALL PARTIES HAVE ACCEPTED
>:(
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Red Auerbach
 Boston Celtics
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Post by Red Auerbach on Nov 27, 2020 9:12:56 GMT -5
I am way over the cap.
This trade helps me to reduce salary.
I will continue adding to the young core.
I accept.
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Shaq O'Neal
LA Clippers
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Nov 27, 2020 9:14:27 GMT -5
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Nino Brown
 Cleveland Cavaliers
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Post by Nino Brown on Nov 27, 2020 9:23:25 GMT -5
Accept, I like it for the Celtics personally. Wizards also had Jrue Holiday to an already good defensive team headed by Covington, and Gobert. Not sure what the Clippers intend to do with all these picks down the line.
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Yeezy
 Dallas Mavericks
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Post by Yeezy on Nov 27, 2020 10:20:37 GMT -5
Jesus fuck I can't, I abstain from voting on all BOS trades moving forward.
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Yeezy
Dallas Mavericks
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Post by Yeezy on Nov 27, 2020 10:22:19 GMT -5
Accept, I like it for the Celtics personally. Wizards also had Jrue Holiday to an already good defensive team headed by Covington, and Gobert. Not sure what the Clippers intend to do with all these picks down the line. The thing with future picks is one or two injuries and it can be a top 5 pick. Look at real life GSW. Red shouldn't be giving up unprotected picks for terrible picks in the 20s that will in all likelihood become nothing |
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Theodore Duncan
 Portland Trail Blazers
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Nov 27, 2020 12:34:26 GMT -5
Accept, I like it for the Celtics personally. Wizards also had Jrue Holiday to an already good defensive team headed by Covington, and Gobert. Not sure what the Clippers intend to do with all these picks down the line. The thing with future picks is one or two injuries and it can be a top 5 pick. Look at real life GSW. Red shouldn't be giving up unprotected picks for terrible picks in the 20s that will in all likelihood become nothing Yeah, I mean Boston just managed to get lucky and not lose a top 3 pick because of protection which nobody thought was even going to be necessary :D Unless you are really trading for a superstar people are giving unprotected picks so easy |
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Nov 27, 2020 12:40:05 GMT -5
Real life Pelicans got 3 future 1st round picks, 2 swap options, 1 starter and 1 sub player for Holiday. While obviously that seems like an overpay, in here you see the opposite with all the future considerations attached to Jrue and they are are unprotected as well. The risk involved seems really high compared to the reward. And Celtics do get multiple picks but they are all low tier ones in a draft with questions. Moving Anderson is also a positive I think but his contract is hardly big being a 2 years one starting next Season for approx $10M each.
Edit: Sorry. Don't want to be mean specially considering this is a draft deal. But yeah, this could be franchise ruining considering there is a chance Celtics could have just Fox, Edwards, Hachimura and Brooks in 2022 with all 1sts from 2022 to 2024 gone to Clippers and unprotected. That could end really badly and there isn't much of a reward here. And sure, there is a cap situation for Celtics but Draft hasn't even ended. Cap situations usually become more expensive to solve late in the Season. But then, some of the expiring veterans that Celtics own would also be more valuable to contenders.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 27, 2020 14:47:09 GMT -5
This trade is horrible for BOS. I know I look silly saying it bc I just sent an unprotected 1st for 17, but this is wayyyyy worse. BOS wasn't even able to put together a top-20 performance with a roster of vets, now they have Edwards and Fox which is nice, but even the '23 pick swap to LAC would terrify me if I'm them, and who knows what their team looks like if (god forbid) Fox has a horrible injury within the next two years. I fall in love with draft picks as much as anyone, and this draft in particular I was especially aggressive in getting my guys. But... 24, 27, 41, 44, for Holiday and two years of your draft capital??? Absolutely bananas.
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billy
Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Nov 27, 2020 14:53:52 GMT -5
veto; i agree with kong. this is a super dumb trade for red.
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Yeezy
Dallas Mavericks
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Post by Yeezy on Nov 27, 2020 15:05:40 GMT -5
veto
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Logan Hough
 Memphis Grizzlies
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Post by Logan Hough on Nov 27, 2020 17:34:23 GMT -5
This is a decent trade for the clippers, and getting Jrue is very nice for the Wizards. With that in mind, trading Jrue doesn't seem like the best move to me. Two first round picks would negate any cap space made with this deal wouldn't it?
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Red Auerbach
Boston Celtics
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Post by Red Auerbach on Nov 27, 2020 17:35:45 GMT -5
Vote is 1-3.
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Logan Hough
Memphis Grizzlies
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Post by Logan Hough on Nov 27, 2020 17:40:15 GMT -5
I thought it was 1-2 right now (Nino yes, billy and yeezy no). Am I reading that wrong?
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Red Auerbach
Boston Celtics
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Post by Red Auerbach on Nov 27, 2020 17:41:29 GMT -5
Nino yes
Billy, Yeezy, and Logan Hough no.
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Logan Hough
Memphis Grizzlies
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Post by Logan Hough on Nov 27, 2020 17:43:28 GMT -5
Nino yes Billy, Yeezy, and Logan Hough no. I mean, I didn't say no yet...
I am inclined to let you guys do your trade even if I don't think it's 100% even .
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Logan Hough
Memphis Grizzlies
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Post by Logan Hough on Nov 27, 2020 18:03:52 GMT -5
Yeah I was looking at the wrong roster sheet...this does clear up a decent amount of cap space this year for Boston, even with the picks.
I'll accept this.
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Paul Pierce
 Chicago Bulls
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Post by Paul Pierce on Nov 27, 2020 18:11:54 GMT -5
I’d like to go on record in case we look back years from now at this trade. I hate this trade for Boston
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Yeezy
Dallas Mavericks
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Post by Yeezy on Nov 27, 2020 18:44:20 GMT -5
Shaq the new Kong
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Logan Hough
Memphis Grizzlies
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Post by Logan Hough on Nov 27, 2020 19:34:38 GMT -5
I agree with you guys that this isn't a super great trade but is this one we really shouldn't pass? Will this permanently make Boston bad or w/e.
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Paul Pierce
Chicago Bulls
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Post by Paul Pierce on Nov 27, 2020 19:42:38 GMT -5
I agree with you guys that this isn't a super great trade but is this one we really shouldn't pass? Will this permanently make Boston bad or w/e. yes. If that pick becomes top 3 that would be detrimental to his franchise. He’s also getting worse as a team in the deal. He gets rid of a pretty good player and really doesn’t get anything. |
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Logan Hough
Memphis Grizzlies
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Post by Logan Hough on Nov 27, 2020 20:28:49 GMT -5
I mean he's over the hard cap...he's gotta do something
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Yeezy
Dallas Mavericks
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Post by Yeezy on Nov 27, 2020 20:44:21 GMT -5
I mean he's over the hard cap...he's gotta do something Something doesn't mean two unprotected firsts and an all star lol |
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Shaq O'Neal
LA Clippers
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Nov 27, 2020 22:02:41 GMT -5
I mean he's over the hard cap...he's gotta do something Something doesn't mean two unprotected firsts and an all star lol 2 unprotected firsts is misleading though.It is still a swap option and it is not like it is guaranteed that I will have a better team in 2023.There is a good chance I will still be bad in 2023 while Red does have 2 high upside players in Fox and Edwards and while I do have solid young players none of them are franchise players as such |
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Shaq O'Neal
LA Clippers
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Nov 28, 2020 0:37:08 GMT -5
Why is this in rejected already?The vote is 2-2 right?
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Nino Brown
Cleveland Cavaliers
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Post by Nino Brown on Nov 28, 2020 0:49:49 GMT -5
I mean he's over the hard cap...he's gotta do something Something doesn't mean two unprotected firsts and an all star lol Jrue Holiday has made one all star team, and that was 8, almost 9 years ago. |
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