Bradley Beal (PO Decision)

[billy]

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[Steve Jobs]

Glad to know our other PAs think the dude who has 1) never tested free agency in real life and 2) who just saw me trade for him and Giannis within a few months of each other to try to build a championship contender around him, would decline the full 5-year Max w/ player option I extended to test free agency.

Seriously, wtf kind of logic are they applying to this?

[Shaq O'Neal]

Dec 9, 2020 10:34:58 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Glad to know our other PAs think the dude who has 1) never tested free agency in real life and 2) who just saw me trade for him and Giannis within a few months of each other to try to build a championship contender around him, would decline the full 5-year Max w/ player option I extended to test free agency.

Seriously, wtf kind of logic are they applying to this?

Alright so here is my logic in this case.Your 5 year max offer will still be on the table when he tests FA so there is no reason to not see what other options are.This does not mean I am completely rejecting the idea of him returning to your team.I just feel there is no reason not to see other offers.Also I don't think you should compare real life extensions with D720 PO extensions because the ones in real life are usually a couple of seasons earlier so it gives them some security while here he would be signing an extension just weeks before he tests FA so since the offer is likely to be there even when during FA why not look at some other offers too? 

[Paul Pierce]

There’s no reason not to atleast look at other offers. Your offer isn’t going away anytime soon

[Scott Pilgrim]

Dec 9, 2020 10:51:03 GMT -5 Shaq O'Neal said:

Dec 9, 2020 10:34:58 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Glad to know our other PAs think the dude who has 1) never tested free agency in real life and 2) who just saw me trade for him and Giannis within a few months of each other to try to build a championship contender around him, would decline the full 5-year Max w/ player option I extended to test free agency.

Seriously, wtf kind of logic are they applying to this?

Alright so here is my logic in this case.Your 5 year max offer will still be on the table when he tests FA so there is no reason to not see what other options are.This does not mean I am completely rejecting the idea of him returning to your team.I just feel there is no reason not to see other offers.Also I don't think you should compare real life extensions with D720 PO extensions because the ones in real life are usually a couple of seasons earlier so it gives them some security while here he would be signing an extension just weeks before he tests FA so since the offer is likely to be there even when during FA why not look at some other offers too? 

Why did drummond decline 100m for an extra 10m this year? I can't wait to offer him 3 yrs/45m at the end of next year's free agency instead after he stinks it up in Cleveland.

[Shaq O'Neal]

Dec 9, 2020 11:05:14 GMT -5 Scott Pilgrim said:

Dec 9, 2020 10:51:03 GMT -5 Shaq O'Neal said:

Alright so here is my logic in this case.Your 5 year max offer will still be on the table when he tests FA so there is no reason to not see what other options are.This does not mean I am completely rejecting the idea of him returning to your team.I just feel there is no reason not to see other offers.Also I don't think you should compare real life extensions with D720 PO extensions because the ones in real life are usually a couple of seasons earlier so it gives them some security while here he would be signing an extension just weeks before he tests FA so since the offer is likely to be there even when during FA why not look at some other offers too? 

Why did drummond decline 100m for an extra 10m this year? I can't wait to offer him 3 yrs/45m at the end of next year's free agency instead after he stinks it up in Cleveland.

Well technically he gave up 100 million over 5 years for 30 million this year and I did not vote on Drummond's PO since I was on the fence.

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

Dec 9, 2020 11:05:14 GMT -5 Scott Pilgrim said:

Dec 9, 2020 10:51:03 GMT -5 Shaq O'Neal said:

Alright so here is my logic in this case.Your 5 year max offer will still be on the table when he tests FA so there is no reason to not see what other options are.This does not mean I am completely rejecting the idea of him returning to your team.I just feel there is no reason not to see other offers.Also I don't think you should compare real life extensions with D720 PO extensions because the ones in real life are usually a couple of seasons earlier so it gives them some security while here he would be signing an extension just weeks before he tests FA so since the offer is likely to be there even when during FA why not look at some other offers too? 

Why did drummond decline 100m for an extra 10m this year? I can't wait to offer him 3 yrs/45m at the end of next year's free agency instead after he stinks it up in Cleveland.

Drummond is understandable because his next contract will likely be around that 20m a year number anyways. The extra 10m he got this year might end up negating the money he’ll lose if say the contract is 18m or 17.5m for 4 years, not to mention he has a good chance at another ring this year.

[Theodore Duncan]

Dec 9, 2020 12:25:37 GMT -5 Ron Artest(1x Champ) said:

Dec 9, 2020 11:05:14 GMT -5 Scott Pilgrim said:

Why did drummond decline 100m for an extra 10m this year? I can't wait to offer him 3 yrs/45m at the end of next year's free agency instead after he stinks it up in Cleveland.

Drummond is understandable because his next contract will likely be around that 20m a year number anyways. The extra 10m he got this year might end up negating the money he’ll lose if say the contract is 18m or 17.5m for 4 years, not to mention he has a good chance at another ring this year.

Drummond has been around forever but is actually only 27. I think he is also the kind of person to bet on himself to secure another big deal next year.

[Steve Jobs]

Dec 9, 2020 10:52:14 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

There’s no reason not to atleast look at other offers. Your offer isn’t going away anytime soon

This is making decisions that are decisively nothing like Bradley Beal would do in real life. The idea that the offer doesn’t go away so he should test free agency goes against absolutely everything we’re supposed to do as PAs (vote as true-to-life as we possibly can to try to emulate the real interactions of the players with the teams that are available). If Beal hasn’t spent a single second in free agency up til now, what exactly is any GM supposed to believe he’d see around the league that makes him completely abandon his real life attributes to “see what offers” he gets?

[Paul Pierce]

Dec 9, 2020 13:35:37 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Dec 9, 2020 10:52:14 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

There’s no reason not to atleast look at other offers. Your offer isn’t going away anytime soon

This is making decisions that are decisively nothing like Bradley Beal would do in real life. The idea that the offer doesn’t go away so he should test free agency goes against absolutely everything we’re supposed to do as PAs (vote as true-to-life as we possibly can to try to emulate the real interactions of the players with the teams that are available). If Beal hasn’t spent a single second in free agency up til now, what exactly is any GM supposed to believe he’d see around the league that makes him completely abandon his real life attributes to “see what offers” he gets?

he signed extensions seasons before FA. We don’t do that in this league and Beal was with Washington since day 1. You haven’t had him that long so it’s not the same at all

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

Dec 9, 2020 13:35:37 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Dec 9, 2020 10:52:14 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

There’s no reason not to atleast look at other offers. Your offer isn’t going away anytime soon

This is making decisions that are decisively nothing like Bradley Beal would do in real life. The idea that the offer doesn’t go away so he should test free agency goes against absolutely everything we’re supposed to do as PAs (vote as true-to-life as we possibly can to try to emulate the real interactions of the players with the teams that are available). If Beal hasn’t spent a single second in free agency up til now, what exactly is any GM supposed to believe he’d see around the league that makes him completely abandon his real life attributes to “see what offers” he gets?

I didn’t realize he signed an extension with Washington, but still different scenarios.

[Steve Jobs]

Dec 9, 2020 13:39:57 GMT -5 Ron Artest(1x Champ) said:

Dec 9, 2020 13:35:37 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

This is making decisions that are decisively nothing like Bradley Beal would do in real life. The idea that the offer doesn’t go away so he should test free agency goes against absolutely everything we’re supposed to do as PAs (vote as true-to-life as we possibly can to try to emulate the real interactions of the players with the teams that are available). If Beal hasn’t spent a single second in free agency up til now, what exactly is any GM supposed to believe he’d see around the league that makes him completely abandon his real life attributes to “see what offers” he gets?

Your sentiments are a bit disingenuous, this year will be his first true opportunity to hit FA, and he almost certainly will. He got a 5 year extension off his rookie deal, so it’s not like he’s bypassed the opportunity to become a FA multiple times, it’s literally because he hasn’t had the opportunity to.

Did everyone else miss the two year extension he signed over a year ago? The earliest he can hit free agency is ‘22.

If I didn’t believe that we were supposed to be voting as true to the player’s real life intentions as possible, there’s a pretty solid chance I’d have made the decision John and Kong wanted me to make when you got Kawhi in free agency. Don’t throw that “disingenuous” crap at me.

And LOL at the arguments that because he signed extensions years before he hit free agency this current situation is different. If he wanted to test free agency bad enough, he sure has avoided that possibility at literally every opportunity (including extending instead of signing an offer sheet as well as signing a Max extension instead of his QO, which is of course available to every RFA that wants to test free agency bad enough) despite being on a true dumpster fire of a team for several of those years.

The only “logical” reason I can see for voting this way on Beal’s PO with a Max extension on the table is that there are PAs who believe they have a chance to sign him in free agency and don’t want to give that up. Frankly, that rationale among some of the league’s most influential members is more devastating for the league than any bad trades going through could ever be.

[Paul Pierce]

Dec 9, 2020 13:49:50 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Dec 9, 2020 13:39:57 GMT -5 Ron Artest(1x Champ) said:

Your sentiments are a bit disingenuous, this year will be his first true opportunity to hit FA, and he almost certainly will. He got a 5 year extension off his rookie deal, so it’s not like he’s bypassed the opportunity to become a FA multiple times, it’s literally because he hasn’t had the opportunity to.

Did everyone else miss the two year extension he signed over a year ago? The earliest he can hit free agency is ‘22.

If I didn’t believe that we were supposed to be voting as true to the player’s real life intentions as possible, there’s a pretty solid chance I’d have made the decision John and Kong wanted me to make when you got Kawhi in free agency. Don’t throw that “disingenuous” crap at me.

And LOL at the arguments that because he signed extensions years before he hit free agency this current situation is different. If he wanted to test free agency bad enough, he sure has avoided that possibility at literally every opportunity (including extending instead of signing an offer sheet as well as signing a Max extension instead of his QO, which is of course available to every RFA that wants to test free agency bad enough) despite being on a true dumpster fire of a team for several of those years.

The only “logical” reason I can see for voting this way on Beal’s PO with a Max extension on the table is that there are PAs who believe they have a chance to sign him in free agency and don’t want to give that up. Frankly, that rationale among some of the league’s most influential members is more devastating for the league than any bad trades going through could ever be.

every person who voted for Beal to test FA can’t afford Beal so the accusation is off base. You will end up signing Beal during FA pretty much guaranteed. If you had Beal longer I’d agree to have him sign the extension immediately but that’s not the case

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

Dec 9, 2020 13:49:50 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Dec 9, 2020 13:39:57 GMT -5 Ron Artest(1x Champ) said:

Your sentiments are a bit disingenuous, this year will be his first true opportunity to hit FA, and he almost certainly will. He got a 5 year extension off his rookie deal, so it’s not like he’s bypassed the opportunity to become a FA multiple times, it’s literally because he hasn’t had the opportunity to.

Did everyone else miss the two year extension he signed over a year ago? The earliest he can hit free agency is ‘22.

If I didn’t believe that we were supposed to be voting as true to the player’s real life intentions as possible, there’s a pretty solid chance I’d have made the decision John and Kong wanted me to make when you got Kawhi in free agency. Don’t throw that “disingenuous” crap at me.

And LOL at the arguments that because he signed extensions years before he hit free agency this current situation is different. If he wanted to test free agency bad enough, he sure has avoided that possibility at literally every opportunity (including extending instead of signing an offer sheet as well as signing a Max extension instead of his QO, which is of course available to every RFA that wants to test free agency bad enough) despite being on a true dumpster fire of a team for several of those years.

The only “logical” reason I can see for voting this way on Beal’s PO with a Max extension on the table is that there are PAs who believe they have a chance to sign him in free agency and don’t want to give that up. Frankly, that rationale among some of the league’s most influential members is more devastating for the league than any bad trades going through could ever be.

First of all, I said your original statement was disingenuous because I didn’t know Beal signed a two year extension, not because I think you aren’t holding true to making sure D720 follows the NBA, and it’s players as closely as possible. Your last paragraph is what you wanted to say from the beginning, but I highly doubt anybody is conspiring against you to sign Beal. There is a 99.9% chance you get him back so take a deep breath.

[Steve Jobs]

Dec 9, 2020 14:18:07 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

Dec 9, 2020 13:49:50 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Did everyone else miss the two year extension he signed over a year ago? The earliest he can hit free agency is ‘22.

If I didn’t believe that we were supposed to be voting as true to the player’s real life intentions as possible, there’s a pretty solid chance I’d have made the decision John and Kong wanted me to make when you got Kawhi in free agency. Don’t throw that “disingenuous” crap at me.

And LOL at the arguments that because he signed extensions years before he hit free agency this current situation is different. If he wanted to test free agency bad enough, he sure has avoided that possibility at literally every opportunity (including extending instead of signing an offer sheet as well as signing a Max extension instead of his QO, which is of course available to every RFA that wants to test free agency bad enough) despite being on a true dumpster fire of a team for several of those years.

The only “logical” reason I can see for voting this way on Beal’s PO with a Max extension on the table is that there are PAs who believe they have a chance to sign him in free agency and don’t want to give that up. Frankly, that rationale among some of the league’s most influential members is more devastating for the league than any bad trades going through could ever be.

every person who voted for Beal to test FA can’t afford Beal so the accusation is off base. You will end up signing Beal during FA pretty much guaranteed. If you had Beal longer I’d agree to have him sign the extension immediately but that’s not the case

A GM not currently have the cap space for a Max free agent literally doesn’t mean anything, basically every GM in the league has cleared major cap space in a day with one or two big deals, and nothing would stop that here.

How exactly does the time I’ve had him come in to play in your vote here? It’s not exactly like I traded for him at the deadline... If COVID hadn’t happened he’d have played almost an entire season with me, and there is literally no real life precedent to suggest that he’d have treated a team he got traded to any different (loyalty-wise) than he has the Wizards that can back up that stance.

[Steve Jobs]

Dec 9, 2020 14:34:54 GMT -5 Ron Artest(1x Champ) said:

Dec 9, 2020 13:49:50 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Did everyone else miss the two year extension he signed over a year ago? The earliest he can hit free agency is ‘22.

If I didn’t believe that we were supposed to be voting as true to the player’s real life intentions as possible, there’s a pretty solid chance I’d have made the decision John and Kong wanted me to make when you got Kawhi in free agency. Don’t throw that “disingenuous” crap at me.

And LOL at the arguments that because he signed extensions years before he hit free agency this current situation is different. If he wanted to test free agency bad enough, he sure has avoided that possibility at literally every opportunity (including extending instead of signing an offer sheet as well as signing a Max extension instead of his QO, which is of course available to every RFA that wants to test free agency bad enough) despite being on a true dumpster fire of a team for several of those years.

The only “logical” reason I can see for voting this way on Beal’s PO with a Max extension on the table is that there are PAs who believe they have a chance to sign him in free agency and don’t want to give that up. Frankly, that rationale among some of the league’s most influential members is more devastating for the league than any bad trades going through could ever be.

First of all, I said your original statement was disingenuous because I didn’t know Beal signed a two year extension, not because I think you aren’t holding true to making sure D720 follows the NBA, and it’s players as closely as possible. Your last paragraph is what you wanted to say from the beginning, but I highly doubt anybody is conspiring against you to sign Beal. There is a 99.9% chance you get him back so take a deep breath.

I don’t necessarily agree with the 99.9% figure, but even if it was that high, that’s a big part of the reason I’m upset. Uninformed by any precedent from actions or words Beal has taken/spoken, the PAs decided to “Team Chaos” that 0.1% chance. If I lose him, it’s entirely because that PA decision made it possible, and if I don’t lose him I’ll still be forced into a pointless waiting game.

If there was no PO extension process at all, I wouldn’t have a chance to be upset because I traded for him knowing that re-signing wasn’t guaranteed. With the extension process in place, the idea that I’m having to go through with signing him in Free Agency despite the fact he hasn’t opted to test free agency at any point in his RL career and I’m offering him everything short of a NTC in the extension is just stupid.

[Allan Houston]

Dec 9, 2020 14:34:54 GMT -5 Ron Artest(1x Champ) said:

Dec 9, 2020 13:49:50 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Did everyone else miss the two year extension he signed over a year ago? The earliest he can hit free agency is ‘22.

If I didn’t believe that we were supposed to be voting as true to the player’s real life intentions as possible, there’s a pretty solid chance I’d have made the decision John and Kong wanted me to make when you got Kawhi in free agency. Don’t throw that “disingenuous” crap at me.

And LOL at the arguments that because he signed extensions years before he hit free agency this current situation is different. If he wanted to test free agency bad enough, he sure has avoided that possibility at literally every opportunity (including extending instead of signing an offer sheet as well as signing a Max extension instead of his QO, which is of course available to every RFA that wants to test free agency bad enough) despite being on a true dumpster fire of a team for several of those years.

The only “logical” reason I can see for voting this way on Beal’s PO with a Max extension on the table is that there are PAs who believe they have a chance to sign him in free agency and don’t want to give that up. Frankly, that rationale among some of the league’s most influential members is more devastating for the league than any bad trades going through could ever be.

First of all, I said your original statement was disingenuous because I didn’t know Beal signed a two year extension, not because I think you aren’t holding true to making sure D720 follows the NBA, and it’s players as closely as possible. Your last paragraph is what you wanted to say from the beginning, but I highly doubt anybody is conspiring against you to sign Beal. There is a 99.9% chance you get him back so take a deep breath.

Can we not say things like "There is a 99.9% chance you get him back?"  There a real "tampering"-esque concerns about PAs saying things like that about an FA. It can depress the market

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

Dec 9, 2020 15:59:49 GMT -5 Allan Houston said:

Dec 9, 2020 14:34:54 GMT -5 Ron Artest(1x Champ) said:

First of all, I said your original statement was disingenuous because I didn’t know Beal signed a two year extension, not because I think you aren’t holding true to making sure D720 follows the NBA, and it’s players as closely as possible. Your last paragraph is what you wanted to say from the beginning, but I highly doubt anybody is conspiring against you to sign Beal. There is a 99.9% chance you get him back so take a deep breath.

Can we not say things like "There is a 99.9% chance you get him back?"  There a real "tampering"-esque concerns about PAs saying things like that about an FA. It can depress the market

I’m not a PA...

[Yeezy]

Beal gonna look real good in a Mavs uni if that's any consolation

[billy]

This thread is so salty.

I dont see a big issue with beal trying FA knowing he has the same offer otherwise. He didn't do it in real life but we don't make players always follow what they did in real life. Their real life actions can contribute to a decision, but so does logic and what is best for the player. A few years ago beal was more of a question mark having some recent injuries then he is at this point here. Its not apples to apples and that needs to be remembered. It's not like we have an extremely large sample size of Beal refusing to test free agency in all possible situations, there are too few data points to be able to say that "Beal would have accepted this extension IRL". You could say he "probably" would have accepted it IRL, but there is plenty of wiggle room and good logical reasons for him to test the market first. Either decision seems within the realm of reasonable to me.

I thought the Drummond decision to not take the extension was more surprising.

[Ed Cooley]

Genuine question regarding trying keep players as close to real life as possible: does that include location of franchises? I wasn’t sure about that when I had AD but decided not to take the risk (for other factors)

[Steve Jobs]

Dec 9, 2020 17:47:15 GMT -5 Ed Cooley said:

Genuine question regarding trying keep players as close to real life as possible: does that include location of franchises? I wasn’t sure about that when I had AD but decided not to take the risk (for other factors)

To the extent that it makes sense, I’ve always handled things with that type of factor in mind. But obviously not every decision is a 1:1 “Kawhi wants to play in LA so he’d pick an LA team in FA”, so to a large degree it’s a lot more about comparable market size and/or team factors than locations specifically.

[Steve Jobs]

Dec 9, 2020 16:39:12 GMT -5 billy said:

This thread is so salty.

I dont see a big issue with beal trying FA knowing he has the same offer otherwise. He didn't do it in real life but we don't make players always follow what they did in real life. Their real life actions can contribute to a decision, but so does logic and what is best for the player. A few years ago beal was more of a question mark having some recent injuries then he is at this point here. Its not apples to apples and that needs to be remembered. It's not like we have an extremely large sample size of Beal refusing to test free agency in all possible situations, there are too few data points to be able to say that "Beal would have accepted this extension IRL". You could say he "probably" would have accepted it IRL, but there is plenty of wiggle room and good logical reasons for him to test the market first. Either decision seems within the realm of reasonable to me.

I thought the Drummond decision to not take the extension was more surprising.

The Drummond decision (and even to an extent the Love decision) is certainly on my mind as I make my posts. My job has had me running around all day every day so I haven’t been able to be very active, but I’ve never seen this many botched PA decisions in one offseason.

And I get why you think this is just salt, but the fact that I can realistically say that there is ANY sort of “probably” involved in his decision making means the fact that literally none of the voting PAs even mentioned that they felt like declining the extension was a mistake points to a deeper issue there.

If myself and the rest of the PAs don’t treat free agency as if voting as “true to life” as possible is the most important factor, then this league just quickly devolves into a clown show where the random dudes who volunteered for PA roles decide where everyone goes without consequences and inevitably consolidate talent/league influence. That’s why I’m so frustrated. Of all the things that the PAs could have voted against the grain on, completely missing the mark for realism on one of the biggest free agents points in a horrible direction for the league.

[billy]

Dec 9, 2020 18:06:04 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Dec 9, 2020 16:39:12 GMT -5 billy said:

This thread is so salty.

I dont see a big issue with beal trying FA knowing he has the same offer otherwise. He didn't do it in real life but we don't make players always follow what they did in real life. Their real life actions can contribute to a decision, but so does logic and what is best for the player. A few years ago beal was more of a question mark having some recent injuries then he is at this point here. Its not apples to apples and that needs to be remembered. It's not like we have an extremely large sample size of Beal refusing to test free agency in all possible situations, there are too few data points to be able to say that "Beal would have accepted this extension IRL". You could say he "probably" would have accepted it IRL, but there is plenty of wiggle room and good logical reasons for him to test the market first. Either decision seems within the realm of reasonable to me.

I thought the Drummond decision to not take the extension was more surprising.

The Drummond decision (and even to an extent the Love decision) is certainly on my mind as I make my posts. My job has had me running around all day every day so I haven’t been able to be very active, but I’ve never seen this many botched PA decisions in one offseason.

And I get why you think this is just salt, but the fact that I can realistically say that there is ANY sort of “probably” involved in his decision making means the fact that literally none of the voting PAs even mentioned that they felt like declining the extension was a mistake points to a deeper issue there.

If myself and the rest of the PAs don’t treat free agency as if voting as “true to life” as possible is the most important factor, then this league just quickly devolves into a clown show where the random dudes who volunteered for PA roles decide where everyone goes without consequences and inevitably consolidate talent/league influence. That’s why I’m so frustrated. Of all the things that the PAs could have voted against the grain on, completely missing the mark for realism on one of the biggest free agents points in a horrible direction for the league.

Firstly, nothing is ever going to be perfect, nor will things line up exactly how you feel they should. There's always a couple head-scratching decisions in real life free agent decisions as well. I don't think any of the PO decisions were as weird as some of the stuff we get in real life, and some of the tougher decisions that could be considered "iffy" are to be expected. There's always a thread or two where a GM goes on a rant because they disagree with a decision every offseason.

Secondly, being a PA is similar to being on the TC, and just like the TC sometimes get things wrong, maybe PAs sometimes do that too. KG would always bump that 1 thread where the TC fucked him by rejecting his trade, but the dude ignores the 99 other trades the TC was correct in. Player option and free agents decisions will be similar. Not all decisions we have made in the past are perfect, and there are imperfect ones this offseason, and in future offseasons as well. This is only natural. And the vast majority of the decisions are correct.

Thirdly, I think when decisions are tough opting for what is in the player's best interest is always the best move. In this league we sent Kawhi to LAL, because that's what he did in real life and they had a decent shot of surrounding him with good talent. However there are tons of players that don't follow real life so closely, it would be impossible to keep track of every player's free agent habits. When the decision is tough, opting for what will earn the player the most agency (ability to choose + money) is the easiest bet.

Finally, none of this points to "the league devolving into a clown show". I'm a little disappointed you see it that way, I know it's hard to miss the forest for the trees when you are on the receiving end of one of the more controversial decisions, but other people have dealt with disagreeing with a free agent or trade decision, and the league keeps on spinning and is going just as good as ever.

[Yeezy]

Is Steve a lawyer irl?

[jameskay]

Dec 9, 2020 19:33:00 GMT -5 Yeezy said:

Is Steve a lawyer irl?

not a very good one

[Steve Jobs]

Dec 10, 2020 2:52:39 GMT -5 jameskay said:

Dec 9, 2020 19:33:00 GMT -5 Yeezy said:

Is Steve a lawyer irl?

not a very good one

lol how would you know?

[Shaq O'Neal]

Steve Jobs NBA non-rookie contract extensions are definitely not the same as D720 extensions.In real life,signing an extension before you hit FA is done for 2 reasons-one being you like the team enough to commit to it long term and two is you get some security in case of a serious injury or a steep decline in play.

In D720,the PO extension would be signed just a few weeks before they can hit FA.That means that the long term security the player gets by signing an extension does not matter since they would hit FA just a few weeks after the PO extension offer which basically means the only reason left for a player in here to sign an extension is if they like the organization enough to commit to it long term.However why would a player do that without even seeing what other teams are offering when the same offer from the same team will be available during FA too.In my opinion it makes no sense to sign a contract when only 1 team can offer to you when you can hit FA and see other options while also having the same contract offered to you.

[Steve Jobs]

Dec 10, 2020 6:55:07 GMT -5 Shaq O'Neal said:

Steve Jobs NBA non-rookie contract extensions are definitely not the same as D720 extensions.In real life,signing an extension before you hit FA is done for 2 reasons-one being you like the team enough to commit to it long term and two is you get some security in case of a serious injury or a steep decline in play.

In D720,the PO extension would be signed just a few weeks before they can hit FA.That means that the long term security the player gets by signing an extension does not matter since they would hit FA just a few weeks after the PO extension offer which basically means the only reason left for a player in here to sign an extension is if they like the organization enough to commit to it long term.However why would a player do that without even seeing what other teams are offering when the same offer from the same team will be available during FA too.In my opinion it makes no sense to sign a contract when only 1 team can offer to you when you can hit FA and see other options while also having the same contract offered to you.

Okay, let me break down the first bit first:

Non-rookie NBA extensions aren’t indicative of a player’s intentions because they happen (typically) about a year before the player is a free agent instead of a few weeks, and thus the player couldn’t be expected to sign an extension weeks ahead of free agency? I don’t know why you think that argument makes logical sense. Not only is it not really true - a player can sign an extension all the way up to the day before they become a free agent, and it’s extremely common for players to sign their extension months into the season before their free agency - it also makes the exact OPPOSITE point you think it does for every free agent except RFA’s (who know they don’t get to choose where they go regardless so getting the money sooner is worth it).

If an unrestricted free agent chooses to sign an extension, literally at any point (weeks, months, or years), then they wouldn’t have changed their mind to instead explore free agency if they’d been a little closer to the free agency starting... because they get to choose, the decision is always relevant.

And from there we have the exact problem. Of course it makes sense to have the opinion that a player would see no reason not to test free agency if they’re so close anyway, but it’s not YOUR opinion that matters, you should be putting yourself in the mind of the free agent. If they’ve signed multiple RL extensions in the past and can’t receive more money than what they were offered in the extension, there is no way to even be attempting to accurately reflect their real life decision making except to lean heavily towards extending in all circumstances except not being offered the contract they deserve.

[billy]

Dec 10, 2020 7:43:07 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Dec 10, 2020 6:55:07 GMT -5 Shaq O'Neal said:

Steve Jobs NBA non-rookie contract extensions are definitely not the same as D720 extensions.In real life,signing an extension before you hit FA is done for 2 reasons-one being you like the team enough to commit to it long term and two is you get some security in case of a serious injury or a steep decline in play.

In D720,the PO extension would be signed just a few weeks before they can hit FA.That means that the long term security the player gets by signing an extension does not matter since they would hit FA just a few weeks after the PO extension offer which basically means the only reason left for a player in here to sign an extension is if they like the organization enough to commit to it long term.However why would a player do that without even seeing what other teams are offering when the same offer from the same team will be available during FA too.In my opinion it makes no sense to sign a contract when only 1 team can offer to you when you can hit FA and see other options while also having the same contract offered to you.

Okay, let me break down the first bit first:

Non-rookie NBA extensions aren’t indicative of a player’s intentions because they happen (typically) about a year before the player is a free agent instead of a few weeks, and thus the player couldn’t be expected to sign an extension weeks ahead of free agency? I don’t know why you think that argument makes logical sense. Not only is it not really true - a player can sign an extension all the way up to the day before they become a free agent, and it’s extremely common for players to sign their extension months into the season before their free agency - it also makes the exact OPPOSITE point you think it does for every free agent except RFA’s (who know they don’t get to choose where they go regardless so getting the money sooner is worth it).

If an unrestricted free agent chooses to sign an extension, literally at any point (weeks, months, or years), then they wouldn’t have changed their mind to instead explore free agency if they’d been a little closer to the free agency starting... because they get to choose, the decision is always relevant.

And from there we have the exact problem. Of course it makes sense to have the opinion that a player would see no reason not to test free agency if they’re so close anyway, but it’s not YOUR opinion that matters, you should be putting yourself in the mind of the free agent. If they’ve signed multiple RL extensions in the past and can’t receive more money than what they were offered in the extension, there is no way to even be attempting to accurately reflect their real life decision making except to lean heavily towards extending in all circumstances except not being offered the contract they deserve.

Dude we don't make players do exactly what they do in real life and you know it. You've been a part of the PA committee since this league was invented and this isn't what we do. 99% of the time the decision comes down to what makes the most sense for the player. Get over yourself.