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Aug 11, 2018 8:05:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 8:05:49 GMT -5
Nah, trade committee had to much power. This is messy and stuff but it is much better plus, it is entertaining when you go full rage mode. Im not raging anymore so no more entertainment from me i decided to wooosssaaaa and chill and respect people!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 8:11:35 GMT -5
This is at 2-4 for reject Im not sure if ron was a reject as well so if he was then thats 5 and case closed
And paul voting is kinda wrong here since he owns the 19 orl pick but nothing in the rules against it
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Aug 11, 2018 8:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 8:37:04 GMT -5
This is at 2-4 for reject Im not sure if ron was a reject as well so if he was then thats 5 and case closed And paul voting is kinda wrong here since he owns the 19 orl pick but nothing in the rules against it definitely a reject for me
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Aug 11, 2018 8:42:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 8:42:43 GMT -5
5 rejects case closed
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 8:46:23 GMT -5
If the trade for Butler that inevitably ends up getting accepted looks laughable compared to this three years from now when MPJ is tearing up the league good, Hill has had a bounce back season as a higher volume starting PG for the Cavs, and Forbes looks awesome for the Spurs, I will, 100%, make sure to remind all of you.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 8:58:22 GMT -5
If the trade for Butler that inevitably ends up getting accepted looks laughable compared to this three years from now when MPJ is tearing up the league good, Hill has had a bounce back season as a higher volume starting PG for the Cavs, and Forbes looks awesome for the Spurs, I will, 100%, make sure to remind all of you. 1. I doubt MPJ ever reaches his ceiling, back injuries just don’t go away, even if you ‘fix them’(surgery), odds are his career, and prime shortened. I thought he had the capacity to become one of the best wings in the league, maybe he still could, but he won’t have a sustained longevity. George Hill is supposed to look and play well for what will be one of the worst teams in the league. Forbes should develop into a useful shooter, but again, he’s not enough as it stands.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 9:45:55 GMT -5
If the trade for Butler that inevitably ends up getting accepted looks laughable compared to this three years from now when MPJ is tearing up the league good, Hill has had a bounce back season as a higher volume starting PG for the Cavs, and Forbes looks awesome for the Spurs, I will, 100%, make sure to remind all of you. 1. I doubt MPJ ever reaches his ceiling, back injuries just don’t go away, even if you ‘fix them’(surgery), odds are his career, and prime shortened. I thought he had the capacity to become one of the best wings in the league, maybe he still could, but he won’t have a sustained longevity. George Hill is supposed to look and play well for what will be one of the worst teams in the league. Forbes should develop into a useful shooter, but again, he’s not enough as it stands. You keep using “not enough” as if your 100% subjective take on this trade is the only possible evaluation, or as if that made it a valid reason for rejecting when you’ve been part of the “If it’s not collusion it shouldn’t be rejected” train multiple times. MPJ’s career arc is a mystery, and a bit of a gamble. I traded Khris Middleton for Dejounte Murray before he had ever done anything to prove his worth and when my team was mostly devoid of established talent (aka, I could have been ruining my franchise), and the league trusted me to make a judgement call about those players. If MPJ is better than your bleak-ass projections and Hill bounces back, this trade is ridiculously not-rejectable and still got rejected anyway. Thanks.
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Aug 11, 2018 10:05:44 GMT -5
Post by Tracy McGrady on Aug 11, 2018 10:05:44 GMT -5
If the trade for Butler that inevitably ends up getting accepted looks laughable compared to this three years from now when MPJ is tearing up the league good, Hill has had a bounce back season as a higher volume starting PG for the Cavs, and Forbes looks awesome for the Spurs, I will, 100%, make sure to remind all of you. I felt the same when I'm trading Sexton. As I pointed out before, no one can predict the future.
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Aug 11, 2018 10:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 10:10:53 GMT -5
If the trade for Butler that inevitably ends up getting accepted looks laughable compared to this three years from now when MPJ is tearing up the league good, Hill has had a bounce back season as a higher volume starting PG for the Cavs, and Forbes looks awesome for the Spurs, I will, 100%, make sure to remind all of you. I felt the same when I'm trading Sexton. As I pointed out before, no one can predict the future. Except you aimed for EG instead of Butler...
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Aug 11, 2018 10:17:08 GMT -5
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 10:17:08 GMT -5
1. I doubt MPJ ever reaches his ceiling, back injuries just don’t go away, even if you ‘fix them’(surgery), odds are his career, and prime shortened. I thought he had the capacity to become one of the best wings in the league, maybe he still could, but he won’t have a sustained longevity. George Hill is supposed to look and play well for what will be one of the worst teams in the league. Forbes should develop into a useful shooter, but again, he’s not enough as it stands. You keep using “not enough” as if your 100% subjective take on this trade is the only possible evaluation, or as if that made it a valid reason for rejecting when you’ve been part of the “If it’s not collusion it shouldn’t be rejected” train multiple times. MPJ’s career arc is a mystery, and a bit of a gamble. I traded Khris Middleton for Dejounte Murray before he had ever done anything to prove his worth and when my team was mostly devoid of established talent (aka, I could have been ruining my franchise), and the league trusted me to make a judgement call about those players. If MPJ is better than your bleak-ass projections and Hill bounces back, this trade is ridiculously not-rejectable and still got rejected anyway. Thanks. I’m only speaking from my perspective. So yes my opinion stems from how I evaluate these players individually and in regards to this trade. I don’t recall being on the ‘if it’s not collusion it shouldn’t be rejected train’ perse, I simply desire for this league to grasp an idea of consistency when it comes to accepting/rejecting trades. By your own statement, trading Middleton for Murray considering Murray hadn’t proved anything should’ve indeed been rejected considering the ‘franchise ruining’ thing gets thrown around a lot here. Lastly, I didn’t realize saying Porter likely wont reach his potential/ceiling is ‘bleak’, nevermind the fact that I pointed out he still could become a really good starter. More likely than not, he won’t reach the capacity he could’ve reached, its delusion to think otherwise. He’s had two major back surgeries an he hasn’t played an nba minute. We’ve seen back injuries affect all time greats. Also what exactly is George Hill ‘bouncing back’ to? His level last year is around the level he’s been at his entire career. Anyways, Good day.
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Aug 11, 2018 10:21:13 GMT -5
Post by Tracy McGrady on Aug 11, 2018 10:21:13 GMT -5
I felt the same when I'm trading Sexton. As I pointed out before, no one can predict the future. Except you aimed for EG instead of Butler... But same context, during the trade we can't really tell if Sexton can bring his talent in NBA. That uncertainty aspect really makes trade verdicts based on rating/balance flawed (IMO) so I hope other GMs will also consider the reasoning/objectives of the GMs involved in a trade.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Jimmy has a PO and more expensive while Eric is a 2-year guarantee, plus his contract is pretty cheap.
Anyway, as mentioned earlier I accepted the trade.
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Aug 11, 2018 10:51:14 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 10:51:14 GMT -5
You keep using “not enough” as if your 100% subjective take on this trade is the only possible evaluation, or as if that made it a valid reason for rejecting when you’ve been part of the “If it’s not collusion it shouldn’t be rejected” train multiple times. MPJ’s career arc is a mystery, and a bit of a gamble. I traded Khris Middleton for Dejounte Murray before he had ever done anything to prove his worth and when my team was mostly devoid of established talent (aka, I could have been ruining my franchise), and the league trusted me to make a judgement call about those players. If MPJ is better than your bleak-ass projections and Hill bounces back, this trade is ridiculously not-rejectable and still got rejected anyway. Thanks. I’m only speaking from my perspective. So yes my opinion stems from how I evaluate these players individually and in regards to this trade. I don’t recall being on the ‘if it’s not collusion it shouldn’t be rejected train’ perse, I simply desire for this league to grasp an idea of consistency when it comes to accepting/rejecting trades. By your own statement, trading Middleton for Murray considering Murray hadn’t proved anything should’ve indeed been rejected considering the ‘franchise ruining’ thing gets thrown around a lot here. Lastly, I didn’t realize saying Porter likely wont reach his potential/ceiling is ‘bleak’, nevermind the fact that I pointed out he still could become a really good starter. More likely than not, he won’t reach the capacity he could’ve reached, its delusion to think otherwise. He’s had two major back surgeries an he hasn’t played an nba minute. We’ve seen back injuries affect all time greats. Also what exactly is George Hill ‘bouncing back’ to? His level last year is around the level he’s been at his entire career. Anyways, Good day. Arguing that Murray trade should have been rejected misses the point so badly, I wonder what you even read... Saying Porter won’t reach his potential/ceiling IS bleak. You say he can still become a “really good starter,” but his ceiling is superstar level (clearly I think he can get there if things go right or I wouldn’t have risked taking on an immovable Conley contract just to get him) and him peaking as a “really good starter” is a relatively pessimistic viewpoint of his talent level. George Hill’s 16-17 was a career year, 17/3/4/1 on 47/41/80 percentages, AKA “happy to pay him $20M a year” type of production, and his percentages from last year reflect he was still producing well, just not getting the volume of shots needed to be at his best. Forbes wasn’t even that good last year and still had multiple 20 point outbursts and played 80 games... if his defense improves 10% and his shot continues to be deadly, he’ll have an easy hold on 6th man duties and a legit shot at being a good contributor. I’m not guaranteed to keep Butler no matter how much better off I am towards those ends than ORL... if he forces his way to the Knicks irl, Allan continues being a top tier team, and finds the space to send him a max offer, the odds of him leaving my team are actually pretty high. Obviously I like Porter more than most, but as someone willing to take him at 7, also then being willing to move him for what may just be a 1 year rental of a star shouldn’t be viewed as nothing.
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Aug 11, 2018 11:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 11:18:14 GMT -5
I’m only speaking from my perspective. So yes my opinion stems from how I evaluate these players individually and in regards to this trade. I don’t recall being on the ‘if it’s not collusion it shouldn’t be rejected train’ perse, I simply desire for this league to grasp an idea of consistency when it comes to accepting/rejecting trades. By your own statement, trading Middleton for Murray considering Murray hadn’t proved anything should’ve indeed been rejected considering the ‘franchise ruining’ thing gets thrown around a lot here. Lastly, I didn’t realize saying Porter likely wont reach his potential/ceiling is ‘bleak’, nevermind the fact that I pointed out he still could become a really good starter. More likely than not, he won’t reach the capacity he could’ve reached, its delusion to think otherwise. He’s had two major back surgeries an he hasn’t played an nba minute. We’ve seen back injuries affect all time greats. Also what exactly is George Hill ‘bouncing back’ to? His level last year is around the level he’s been at his entire career. Anyways, Good day. Arguing that Murray trade should have been rejected misses the point so badly, I wonder what you even read... Saying Porter won’t reach his potential/ceiling IS bleak. You say he can still become a “really good starter,” but his ceiling is superstar level (clearly I think he can get there if things go right or I wouldn’t have risked taking on an immovable Conley contract just to get him) and him peaking as a “really good starter” is a relatively pessimistic viewpoint of his talent level. George Hill’s 16-17 was a career year, 17/3/4/1 on 47/41/80 percentages, AKA “happy to pay him $20M a year” type of production, and his percentages from last year reflect he was still producing well, just not getting the volume of shots needed to be at his best. Forbes wasn’t even that good last year and still had multiple 20 point outbursts and played 80 games... if his defense improves 10% and his shot continues to be deadly, he’ll have an easy hold on 6th man duties and a legit shot at being a good contributor. I’m not guaranteed to keep Butler no matter how much better off I am towards those ends than ORL... if he forces his way to the Knicks irl, Allan continues being a top tier team, and finds the space to send him a max offer, the odds of him leaving my team are actually pretty high. Obviously I like Porter more than most, but as someone willing to take him at 7, also then being willing to move him for what may just be a 1 year rental of a star shouldn’t be viewed as nothing. So your entire Michael Porter sentiments are on a hope and a prayer?.. The only thing worse than being pessimistic is blindly optimistic, especially when proof and facts come into play. Also I’m not gonna keep addressing the Murray thing, I’m clearly making a comparison based on a precedent set by league owners. Also, That ‘career year’ Hill had, he only played 49 games. That’s a little over half a season, I can’t assume he would’ve kept up that scoring average considering he’s NEVER averaged more than 14 points on a full seasons workload. The one other season he averaged more than 14 points, he only played 43 games. In what universe is paying Hill 20 million for 3 years a positive situation? Especially when you compare his contract to those of better players in this league.
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Aug 11, 2018 11:22:29 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 11:22:29 GMT -5
Arguing that Murray trade should have been rejected misses the point so badly, I wonder what you even read... Saying Porter won’t reach his potential/ceiling IS bleak. You say he can still become a “really good starter,” but his ceiling is superstar level (clearly I think he can get there if things go right or I wouldn’t have risked taking on an immovable Conley contract just to get him) and him peaking as a “really good starter” is a relatively pessimistic viewpoint of his talent level. George Hill’s 16-17 was a career year, 17/3/4/1 on 47/41/80 percentages, AKA “happy to pay him $20M a year” type of production, and his percentages from last year reflect he was still producing well, just not getting the volume of shots needed to be at his best. Forbes wasn’t even that good last year and still had multiple 20 point outbursts and played 80 games... if his defense improves 10% and his shot continues to be deadly, he’ll have an easy hold on 6th man duties and a legit shot at being a good contributor. I’m not guaranteed to keep Butler no matter how much better off I am towards those ends than ORL... if he forces his way to the Knicks irl, Allan continues being a top tier team, and finds the space to send him a max offer, the odds of him leaving my team are actually pretty high. Obviously I like Porter more than most, but as someone willing to take him at 7, also then being willing to move him for what may just be a 1 year rental of a star shouldn’t be viewed as nothing. So your entire Michael Porter sentiments are on a hope and a prayer?.. The only thing worse than being pessimistic is blindly optimistic, especially when proof and facts come into play. Also I’m not gonna keep addressing the Murray thing, I’m clearly making a comparison based on a precedent set by league owners. Also, That ‘career year’ Hill had, he only played 49 games. That’s a little over half a season, I can’t assume he would’ve kept up that scoring average considering he’s NEVER averaged more than 14 points on a full seasons workload. The one other season he averaged more than 14 point, he only played 43 games. LMAO. A hope and a prayer? He was a potential #1 overall pick. I’m saying the chances of his floor being any worse than a Michael Beasley type are minuscule, and the odds of him reaching the part of his potential that has me projecting him well above “really good starter” aren’t that bad. If I was upset about keeping him, I would have argued a lot harder for this trade before it got rejected. I just find it laughable how shit some of the takes are from reject votes.
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Aug 11, 2018 11:23:46 GMT -5
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 11:23:46 GMT -5
So your entire Michael Porter sentiments are on a hope and a prayer?.. The only thing worse than being pessimistic is blindly optimistic, especially when proof and facts come into play. Also I’m not gonna keep addressing the Murray thing, I’m clearly making a comparison based on a precedent set by league owners. Also, That ‘career year’ Hill had, he only played 49 games. That’s a little over half a season, I can’t assume he would’ve kept up that scoring average considering he’s NEVER averaged more than 14 points on a full seasons workload. The one other season he averaged more than 14 point, he only played 43 games. LMAO. A hope and a prayer? He was a potential #1 overall pick. I’m saying the chances of his floor being any worse than a Michael Beasley type are minuscule, and the odds of him reaching the part of his potential that has me projecting him well above “really good starter” aren’t that bad. If I was upset about keeping him, I would have argued a lot harder for this trade before it got rejected. I just find it laughable how shit some of the takes are from reject votes. TIL any POV not agreeing with Mr.Jobs is a ‘shit take’
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 11:24:39 GMT -5
LMAO. A hope and a prayer? He was a potential #1 overall pick. I’m saying the chances of his floor being any worse than a Michael Beasley type are minuscule, and the odds of him reaching the part of his potential that has me projecting him well above “really good starter” aren’t that bad. If I was upset about keeping him, I would have argued a lot harder for this trade before it got rejected. I just find it laughable how shit some of the takes are from reject votes. TIL any POV not agreeing with Mr.Jobs is a ‘shit take’ No, your shit takes are shit takes. IDGAF if you disagree with me.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 11:27:53 GMT -5
TIL any POV not agreeing with Mr.Jobs is a ‘shit take’ No, your shit takes are shit takes. IDGAF if you disagree with me. You do realize Porter nearly fell to the middle of the 1st round for a reason? Obviously their was enough concern there for teams to decline to draft him. The fact that you’re continuing to ignore/downplay the fact that Michael Porter at this point is indeed a flight risk is comedy, but then again you were involved in this trade.
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Aug 11, 2018 11:29:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 11:29:54 GMT -5
Stop arguing guys its rejected just let it go please!
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 11:40:20 GMT -5
No, your shit takes are shit takes. IDGAF if you disagree with me. You do realize Porter nearly fell to the middle of the 1st round for a reason? Obviously their was enough concern there for teams to decline to draft him. The fact that you’re continuing to ignore/downplay the fact that Michael Porter at this point is indeed a flight risk is comedy, but then again you were involved in this trade. Yeah, the reason is that GMs are fucking retarded about 75% of the time. They’ll take a 19 year old with a C+ ceiling “for his potential” over a 22 year old with an B floor and an A- ceiling. They’ll pass up on “may not be the next GOAT” Luka Doncic for “may not be a good NBA player” Trae Young. I never said Porter was sure fire lock to be a superstar (though you seem to think that is my point, so I must again question wtf you’re reading), I simply said the odds of his floor being anything worse than a good starter are even smaller than the odds of him reaching his potential. In context of the trade, that means a lot.
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Aug 11, 2018 11:40:56 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 11:40:56 GMT -5
Stop arguing guys its rejected just let it go please! LOL
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Post by Jackie Kong on Aug 11, 2018 11:48:44 GMT -5
I accept as an advocate of the GM's Free Will Movement. As long as it is not ruining, I'll accept. You should check how Magic roster looks after this and get back to me. x_x They don't even have their 2019 and 2021 1st (last one protected). Their whole future would basically depend on Lonzo learning how to shoot and Porter becoming a healthy starter. Even if that happens which I think is unlikely you are looking at a team like the real life Kings? :|
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 11:54:24 GMT -5
I accept as an advocate of the GM's Free Will Movement. As long as it is not ruining, I'll accept. You should check how Magic roster looks after this and get back to me. x_x They don't even have their 2019 and 2021 1st (last one protected). Their whole future would basically depend on Lonzo learning how to shoot and Porter becoming a healthy starter. Even if that happens which I think is unlikely you are looking at a team like the real life Kings? :| Mr.jobs thinks this trade isn’t rejectable though.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 11:57:05 GMT -5
Stop arguing guys its rejected just let it go please! this isn’t an argument.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 12:02:19 GMT -5
In order of importance to future outlook:
Lonzo Ball Evan Fournier (for three years) Jonas Valanciunas (for two years) Donte Norman Powell (probably gets a legitimate shot this year) Quinn Cook George Hill MPJ Bryn Forbes
That is 100% not a team with no future. So yeah, how tf is it rejectable? Just because you don’t personally like their pieces doesn’t make their team bad or put them on track to have their franchise ruined.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 12:06:53 GMT -5
Stop arguing guys its rejected just let it go please! this isn’t an argument. You’re right, you haven’t made a single valid point.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Aug 11, 2018 12:09:15 GMT -5
You’re right, you haven’t made a single valid point. chillllll Steve lmao
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 12:10:36 GMT -5
You’re right, you haven’t made a single valid point. Ironically more people rejected than accepted so, if I didn’t make a single valid point, yours were either non existent, or really fucking stupid. Either way, enjoy your team/season.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 12:11:03 GMT -5
You’re right, you haven’t made a single valid point. chillllll Steve lmao he’s shaking right now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 12:13:00 GMT -5
And im the hot head lmao
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 12:14:17 GMT -5
In order of importance to future outlook:
Lonzo Ball Evan Fournier (for three years) Jonas Valanciunas (for two years) Donte Norman Powell (probably gets a legitimate shot this year) Quinn Cook George Hill MPJ Bryn Forbes
This team is terrible steve, im sorry but it really is
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