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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 21:54:54 GMT -5
9 members that are active! One respnse per tc member, no arguing or debating! First to 5 accepts or rejects case closed
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Yeezy
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Post by Yeezy on Aug 11, 2018 22:10:37 GMT -5
What if the two trade parties have been in the league for one year+, and the trade is deemed fair by a 2 person TC then its automatic accept. If it's not deemed fair it goes to vote by whole league like now.
Trades with owners here for less than 1 year, goes to vote automatically.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 22:24:05 GMT -5
What if the two trade parties have been in the league for one year+, and the trade is deemed fair by a 2 person TC then its automatic accept. If it's not deemed fair it goes to vote by whole league like now. Trades with owners here for less than 1 year, goes to vote automatically. Two votes is too few regardless of the potential outcomes. Too easy for possible collusion. Ultimately I’d prefer a “Billy can easily say yes or no to this so it goes to a league wide vote” over any kind of two man team, since at least at that point it’d rely mostly on the whims of the person who created the league and works harder to make it happen than anyone else (except maybe Allan, LOL). But no reason to go there. A TC doesn’t hold too much power unless too much power is given to them. Cycle members, expand until satisfied with the variety/consistency of vote outcomes, etc.
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White Mamba
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Post by White Mamba on Aug 11, 2018 22:25:16 GMT -5
wouldn't mind having a TC if the committee consist of at least 40% of the community/number of teams That literally defeats the entire purpose of a TC: so we don't have a billion posts of GMs fighting and bickering over every single trade
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Aug 11, 2018 22:33:48 GMT -5
Steve Brian Theodore Pistol Alan Billy Mamba are guys id like to see on TC
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Aug 11, 2018 22:37:37 GMT -5
Kong and myself as well haha
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White Mamba
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Post by White Mamba on Aug 11, 2018 22:41:30 GMT -5
Please do not put me on the TC.
I already can see some crazy GM yelling and ranting about how everything is rigged against them and we're all idiots for not seeing it their way. Its happened so many times that I expect it at this point. I love being a part of this league but there are some extremely immature and frankly borderline lunatic GMs here.
I want no part of that drama
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Yeezy
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Post by Yeezy on Aug 11, 2018 22:42:41 GMT -5
Please do not put me on the TC. I already can see some crazy GM yelling and ranting about how everything is rigged against them and we're all idiots for not seeing it their way. Its happened so many times that I expect it at this point. I love being a part of this league but there are some extremely immature and frankly borderline lunatic GMs here. I want no part of that drama It's called bipolar disease and I'd appreciate some respect shown to my disability
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Aug 11, 2018 22:43:34 GMT -5
Please do not put me on the TC. I already can see some crazy GM yelling and ranting about how everything is rigged against them and we're all idiots for not seeing it their way. Its happened so many times that I expect it at this point. I love being a part of this league but there are some extremely immature and frankly borderline lunatic GMs here. I want no part of that drama fine, then JM4TC! Spread the word
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Aug 11, 2018 23:49:27 GMT -5
We like butler too ,if we had known we could have offered at least a star back for Jimmy. see... same
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 11, 2018 23:57:41 GMT -5
Why is everyone all of a sudden acting like star players getting put on a trading block is the only possibly precursor to making a trade offer for them? If you want the guy reach out about him? I’ve sent out multiple feelers about literally every player I’m interested in having on my team (sometimes across multiple GMs for the same team). If they go on the block before you offer, your odds at getting him go way down.
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Aug 12, 2018 0:00:10 GMT -5
Why is everyone all of a sudden acting like star players getting put on a trading block is the only possibly precursor to making a trade offer for them? If you want the guy reach out about him? I’ve sent out multiple feelers about literally every player I’m interested in having on my team (sometimes across multiple GMs for the same team). If they go on the block before you offer, your odds at getting him go way down. cause that is the whole point of the trade block not like im against this trade (i really dont have an opinion on it) but i honestly didnt know butler was available when orlando looks like they can still compete
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 12, 2018 0:22:23 GMT -5
Why is everyone all of a sudden acting like star players getting put on a trading block is the only possibly precursor to making a trade offer for them? If you want the guy reach out about him? I’ve sent out multiple feelers about literally every player I’m interested in having on my team (sometimes across multiple GMs for the same team). If they go on the block before you offer, your odds at getting him go way down. cause that is the whole point of the trade block not like im against this trade (i really dont have an opinion on it) but i honestly didnt know butler was available when orlando looks like they can still compete That’s my point... not every player that gets traded is being shopped... in fact, most aren’t. If you want a player and expect to have your hand held on the road to getting them, you’re going to get passed by every time. IMO the trade block is borderline useless since most GMs treat it as a junk heap and expect other GMs to see some treasure in their trash. In general, good players aren’t being actively shopped, ever. Obviously some GMs have more time to devote to their team than others, and that has an effect on things like being on top of a great player being available... but a really good general ground rule is if you can’t take the time to figure out what the asking price is for players every GM in the league would be willing to trade for, you either need to find the time or you need to be very content with where your team is at regardless.
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Post by Tracy McGrady on Aug 12, 2018 0:31:18 GMT -5
cause that is the whole point of the trade block not like im against this trade (i really dont have an opinion on it) but i honestly didnt know butler was available when orlando looks like they can still compete That’s my point... not every player that gets traded is being shopped... in fact, most aren’t. If you want a player and expect to have your hand held on the road to getting them, you’re going to get passed by every time. IMO the trade block is borderline useless since most GMs treat it as a junk heap and expect other GMs to see some treasure in their trash. In general, good players aren’t being actively shopped, ever. Obviously some GMs have more time to devote to their team than others, and that has an effect on things like being on top of a great player being available... but a really good general ground rule is if you can’t take the time to figure out what the asking price is for players every GM in the league would be willing to trade for, you either need to find the time or you need to be very content with where your team is at regardless. The problem is not all GMs are consistent with their verdicts.
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Aug 12, 2018 17:13:26 GMT -5
"Obviously some GMs have more time to devote to their team than others, and that has an effect on things like being on top of a great player being available... but a really good general ground rule is if you can’t take the time to figure out what the asking price is for players every GM in the league would be willing to trade for, you either need to find the time or you need to be very content with where your team is at regardless." Steve Jobs No you're right. No need to make a point or anything I just genuinely didn't know whether or not Butler or anyone else in the matter was available. And for someone like me who has an irregular work schedule, it helps. I'm sorry if I offended you or anything because you definitely put a lot of effort to this league than me. I will quit if you think someone else can do a better job than I can (which isn't too hard)
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 12, 2018 17:18:08 GMT -5
"Obviously some GMs have more time to devote to their team than others, and that has an effect on things like being on top of a great player being available... but a really good general ground rule is if you can’t take the time to figure out what the asking price is for players every GM in the league would be willing to trade for, you either need to find the time or you need to be very content with where your team is at regardless." Steve Jobs No you're right. No need to make a point or anything I just genuinely didn't know whether or not Butler or anyone else in the matter was available. And for someone like me who has an irregular work schedule, it helps. I'm sorry if I offended you or anything because you definitely put a lot of effort to this league than me. I will quit if you think someone else can do a better job than I can (which isn't too hard) Nah, that’s not the point I’m trying to make - Kong is the one making the biggest fuss and he doesn’t even have a team - I just mean that going after players you want is more about trying than it ever could be about whether they’re available or not.
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Aug 12, 2018 18:02:17 GMT -5
You are giving people such a hard time for not liking a trade I think you would destroy if it wasn't your own. You reject most trades you vote on. I think I have the right to dislike this trade as much as I do. x_x
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 12, 2018 18:12:06 GMT -5
You are giving people such a hard time for not liking a trade I think you would destroy if it wasn't your own. You reject most trades you vote on. I think I have the right to dislike this trade as much as I do. x_x I gave Hill and Forbes their contracts and traded for MPJ, do you really think I’d be the one to destroy the deal if it weren’t me? A solid vet, a high potential young prospect, and another young player with solid potential is often more than enough to get a deal done for an expiring star... pretty similar to the PG trade except I like MPJ’s upside as much or more than Bagley’s, Clarkson’s contract has a shot to be way worse than Hill’s, and I think Forbes has a chance to be an elite 6th man for the Spurs in the future. I guess you could call that take optimistic based on “on-my-team” bias, but I really don’t think any of those takes are excessively so ... Forbes projection is definitely the most optimistic there. I’m giving Ron a lot of crap for not knowing what he’s talking about, but I only ever gave you crap for putting way too much emphasis on the trade block aspect.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 12, 2018 18:35:48 GMT -5
But steve your not right 100% of the time, and you always think you are! Its your way or no way always let it go your not always right broski! LMFAO
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 12, 2018 18:36:14 GMT -5
You are giving people such a hard time for not liking a trade I think you would destroy if it wasn't your own. You reject most trades you vote on. I think I have the right to dislike this trade as much as I do. x_x I gave Hill and Forbes their contracts and traded for MPJ, do you really think I’d be the one to destroy the deal if it weren’t me? A solid vet, a high potential young prospect, and another young player with solid potential is often more than enough to get a deal done for an expiring star... pretty similar to the PG trade except I like MPJ’s upside as much or more than Bagley’s, Clarkson’s contract has a shot to be way worse than Hill’s, and I think Forbes has a chance to be an elite 6th man for the Spurs in the future. I guess you could call that take optimistic based on “on-my-team” bias, but I really don’t think any of those takes are excessively so ... Forbes projection is definitely the most optimistic there. I’m giving Ron a lot of crap for not knowing what he’s talking about, but I only ever gave you crap for putting way too much emphasis on the trade block aspect. lol
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 12, 2018 18:52:34 GMT -5
But steve your not right 100% of the time, and you always think you are! Its your way or no way always let it go your not always right broski! he’s usually logical, but he’s clearly butthurt his little trade got rejected. Trying to convince me mr 14 ppg George Hill is worth a 20 million dollar contract is comedic to me no matter how snarky, sarcastic, or immature his responses are. I could be wrong about Michael Porter in the future, but hey, I’ll put money down on it, and happily lose it should it come to it. Either way I won’t continue to engage in back and forth discussions with people once their trades get rejected. Some of you take this way too seriously! If there isn’t a direct confrontation taking place, there are passive aggressive responses, when I think the whole idea of it is to have fun. I’m simply going to vote, say my peace and let everyone else do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 18:59:35 GMT -5
This is another part of the problem! Bk asked me to be respectful and this is not either! People are going to start quiting and get tired of this so lets just all stop this for gods sake. Who knows whos right or wrong and who cares anymore. The trade is rejected, hornets quit, yoshi sounds like hes ready to walk, my sons ready to walk bc he says we sound like high school girls myself included! Do we really want 5 open teams bc of dumb crap? We all have are own opinions and its time to start respecting each other! So this league can thrive!!
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 12, 2018 19:10:41 GMT -5
But steve your not right 100% of the time, and you always think you are! Its your way or no way always let it go your not always right broski! he’s usually logical, but he’s clearly butthurt his little trade got rejected. Trying to convince me mr 14 ppg George Hill is worth a 20 million dollar contract is comedic to me no matter how snarky, sarcastic, or immature his responses are. I could be wrong about Michael Porter in the future, but hey, I’ll put money down on it, and happily lose it should it come to it. Either way I won’t continue to engage in back and forth discussions with people once their trades get rejected, some of you take this way too seriously, when I think the whole idea of it is to have fun. I’m simply going to vote, say my peace and let everyone else do the same. There is a big difference between being butthurt and knowing this trade should not have been rejected.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 12, 2018 19:21:21 GMT -5
billy can we move this thread into the trash where it belongs? I like y'all, I appreciate this league. All of us are fallible, myself included. Steve, you and I kill trades more than anyone. It seems like you and I nearly always agree, this time we don't. Being on this end of it always blows, but you're a good enough GM to find something better or be fine without it. I've got respect for all of y'all, even when I think you're wrong (which I often do, it's not personal) --let's hold on to the integrity of the league. We keep saying that we're being immature, and I agree to an extent, but let's not make it into a self fulfilling prophecy. We're fine.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Aug 12, 2018 22:17:44 GMT -5
billy can we move this thread into the trash where it belongs? I like y'all, I appreciate this league. All of us are fallible, myself included. Steve, you and I kill trades more than anyone. It seems like you and I nearly always agree, this time we don't. Being on this end of it always blows, but you're a good enough GM to find something better or be fine without it. I've got respect for all of y'all, even when I think you're wrong (which I often do, it's not personal) --let's hold on to the integrity of the league. We keep saying that we're being immature, and I agree to an extent, but let's not make it into a self fulfilling prophecy. We're fine. Brian 4 president
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